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(Originally posted on: 07-12-08 01:36:46 PM)
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One of my friends has had a Macbook for a long time and every time I go to his place and play around with it, it makes me want one of my own for school. My old laptop is getting old and dilapidated, the warranty has expired and the L key is completely broken on it. It's just not worth the time and monetary investment to repair it, considering I got the Macbook (better quality than my laptop) for $999 through apple.com, after the student discount factored in. So not a bad deal overall.

Anyway, I bought it mostly for portability for school. I didn't buy it to play videogames or do any incredibly powerful computing, aside from school work and maybe watching a DVD if I'm bored at school. I guess I also bought it to familiarize myself with OSX and learn another platform (aside from Windows or random Linux distros). Either way, I'm getting really anxious to play around with it (should be delivered next week), since my only real experience with an Apple has been on a superficial user level, I've never really tinkered around with them before, because I haven't had the opportunity.


So who thinks I'm dumb for buying one? Who thinks it's a good purchase? Who here uses a Mac? Anyone? Anyone had any direct good or bad experiences with Macbooks or other Apple platforms (not simply just "I read online..." or "a friend of mine has a friend who knows a guy who had a Macbook and was really disappointed...")
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Reply 1 of 27 (Originally posted on: 07-12-08 01:49:30 PM)
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I don't have any experience with them, but I think you stuck this in the wrong forum, so I'm gonna move it to GC.
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Reply 2 of 27 (Originally posted on: 07-12-08 01:56:21 PM)
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I have a Macbook (Pro lol) and mostly good experiences. Firefox crashes constantly on me, which may or may not have anything to do with its Mactitude, and it gets REALLY hot (like, burns through the little board I have to put it on my lap so that I don't block any fans or whatever... I'm probably roasting my future children...), and it has crashed on me more than once. It may also be full of cat fur, but that's not Apple's fault. Anyway despite these problems it's a definite upgrade from the Dell I previously had - I'm just somewhat disappointed that it's not the shiny absolutely perfect beacon of stable awesomeness that I thought/hoped it would be.

Having used Windows all my life I'm happy to say that I acclimated to the new platform and the touchpad (all my previous laptops had a trackpoint lol) very quickly and generally I find it very intuitive. I'm not really a computer Power User, the only big thing I do is use Photoshop and that occasionally grinds everything to a halt, but that's probably inevitable. Photo Booth provides endless entertainment in bored moments. And recently I accidentally let down my internet guard and downloaded a file from a friend via MSN that turned out to be a virus, but the inherent Macness of my computer saved me from myself.

Anyway not the utterly perfect wonder machine I'd hoped for, but overall positive experiences!
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Reply 3 of 27 (Originally posted on: 07-13-08 11:12:45 PM)
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My parents own a Mac and I'm usually asked about once a week to fix things that go wrong with it. One of the problems is really just that it doesn't have enough memory (needs at LEAST 1GB to run smoothly). The others are just compatibility with MS Office things.

The biggest problem I found with their MBP is Entourage (Microsoft's Outlook clone for Mac). It saves all of the data to do with the program in one large database file. If it gets corrupted, then you're screwed out of email and all of your contacts. This is a problem when your parents don't take your advice to backup or archive things.

So yeah, avoid MS products for Mac like the plague.

That said, I was thinking of buying one of these for school next year.
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Reply 4 of 27 (Originally posted on: 07-14-08 12:32:01 AM)
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I use Open Office anyway, so no big deal there. Also, the Macbook (not Macbook Pro) comes stock with 1GB RAM, I'm probably going to buy some more off of Newegg and install it myself, since it's cheaper than ordering it directly from Apple pre-installed.
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Reply 5 of 27 (Originally posted on: 07-14-08 05:23:47 AM)
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Isn't $999 with a discount a little too expensive for something that isn't meant for games? I admit I know nothing about Macbooks (well, I've seen and played around with one for like 5 minutes) or Macs in general, though, so this is an honest question: What are they really good for?
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Reply 6 of 27 (Originally posted on: 07-14-08 05:51:44 AM)
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That's kinda how I feel when you can get a desktop for $350 to use an office suite on.
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Reply 7 of 27 (Originally posted on: 07-14-08 06:11:34 AM)
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Quoted from Sukkit:
Isn't $999 with a discount a little too expensive for something that isn't meant for games? I admit I know nothing about Macbooks (well, I've seen and played around with one for like 5 minutes) or Macs in general, though, so this is an honest question: What are they really good for?


That's what I was thinking, looking at the hardware on a modern one I just can't find anything different from a windows laptop other than the name and the OS. You could probably have the same "experience" by getting a much less expensive notebook elsewhere and putting on ubuntu and just configuring it to have the same interface as OSX.
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Reply 8 of 27 (Originally posted on: 07-14-08 10:03:14 AM)
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You guys are horrible at both reading comprehension and drawing conclusions.

1. My old laptop is busted (keyboard is missing keys, old, loud, heavy... obsolete).
2. I wanted something small and portable.
3. I already have a nice desktop.
4. Just because you buy something for school doesn't mean that I'll only use it for fucking Office suite applications. Are you fucking dumb?
5. Just because I didn't buy it for gaming, doesn't mean I need to buy some shitty $200 laptop from 1997 instead.


So let's recap. I wanted a laptop that I could easily and comfortably take with me to school. Just because I didn't buy it for gaming doesn't mean I need to spend my money on a piece of obsolete shit or continue using the same obsolete ten-pound piece of shit I already have. Just because my primary use will be for use with school doesn't mean that it will be my only use for it. And finally, find me a laptop that weighs five-pounds or less that is just as good and maybe I'll take you seriously.

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Reply 9 of 27 (Originally posted on: 07-14-08 11:02:03 AM)
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It can't be worse than my piece of shit Dell Vostro that I bought less than a year ago. Well, piece of shit it a bit extreme. I mean, it's ok, I guess, but there isn't anything in there that makes my technology-cock erect. Keyboard buttons stick from time to time, I get blue screens too goddamn often, and it crashes during rebooting too often. It's also entirely possible I am just retarded and don't know how to maintain my computer's quality.

Either way, I plan on taking the plunge into Mac World the next time I buy a notebook. Everytime I want to buy a computer, though, I start off moving towards a Mac but find myself scared off by:

1) Price relative to a PC of the same power
2) Lack of gaming applications (START THE GAME ALREADY FAGGOTS. ALSO WHY HAVEN'T YOU BUILT A MARKET YET?)
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Reply 10 of 27 (Originally posted on: 07-14-08 11:31:25 AM)
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You're fooling yourself if you think that's an honest question.

Well, it was an honest question. I asked because I didn't want to repeat the cliches about how Macs are better for graphic design and the like and I wanted a more educated opinion. I've said several times I don't know shit about computers, so really, I was just asking.
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Reply 11 of 27 (Originally posted on: 07-15-08 01:39:39 PM)
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I have to jump in with Sukkit and IF0 on this one. Macs are designed to be used with production software - music and video. This is the only area where they really shine, aside from the fact that 99.9999% of all computer virus bullshit is designed to destroy windows based systems.

If the mac makes you happy, then it was a good purchase.

Could you have gotten by purchasing a windows laptop at 1/2 the price? More than likely, yes.

It weighs 6.1 pounds, but it is still a good laptop I think.

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3945904&Sku=A180-15007%20KIT

Bottom line... You could have $500 to spend on coke and whores and still have a good laptop.
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Reply 12 of 27 (Originally posted on: 07-15-08 01:49:38 PM)
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The reason macs are better is that their operating system has actually been updated in the last decade and is vastly better because of it (Vista sure as hell doesn't count).

Yes, you can get a comparably equipped laptop running Vista or XP for cheaper. The extra costs Sandy paid are for the operating system, which is much better than vista and XP, and also the very high production values that apple products have.

Yeah, he spent extra money, but he has a much nicer computer, and probably a very nice care plan as well. It's just spending more money to get a better product.
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Reply 13 of 27 (Originally posted on: 07-15-08 02:45:50 PM)
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What exactly makes OS/X so great? I haven't seen anything that puts it all that far ahead of any modern OS (except the disaster that was Vista).
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Reply 14 of 27 (Originally posted on: 07-15-08 03:41:09 PM)
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admittedly, I don't know a lot about macs, I still use a laptop with XP. But watching this video makes the new osx look a lot better than vista or XP. I'm talking about the ease of navigation and handling of files through the itunes-like finder, the dock with stacks, and other stuff. I mean, it makes sense that an OS that's been updated regularly for the last ten years would be better than one that hasn't really changed that much in the same amount of time, doesn't it?



When you say "other modern OS" do you also mean like ubuntu and whatever because those aren't really viable options for comparison, at least to me.
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Reply 15 of 27 (Originally posted on: 07-15-08 03:55:20 PM)
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Could you have gotten by purchasing a windows laptop at 1/2 the price? More than likely, yes.

It weighs 6.1 pounds, but it is still a good laptop I think.

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3945904&Sku=A180-15007%20KIT
Are you seriously comparing that laptop to the Macbook?

It has a Celeron(!!!!) processor. That's enough to warrant disgust. It's slower by about 400 Mhz (as a matter of fact, it's the same speed as my current laptop and 400 Mhz slower than the Macbook, which actually matters (not to mention the Macbook has a better CPU anyway, which makes it doubly matter)). It's pretty ugly compared to the Macbook. Granted, the look is frivolous, but I'm not going to lie, I like the way Macbook's look, which is also a factor that price or speed can't compensate for. Not to mention that laptop is larger and heavier than the Macbook.

I don't know much about OS/X myself, as I already said. And part of this is really an experiment to familiarize myself with a new operating system, since I am a computer science/software geek and enjoy that kind of stuff. In the end, while I may have saved $500 for a computer that is ultimately inferior to my current laptop, it's not worth it in the long run.
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Reply 16 of 27 (Originally posted on: 07-15-08 04:30:22 PM)
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admittedly, I don't know a lot about macs, I still use a laptop with XP. But watching this video makes the new osx look a lot better than vista or XP. I'm talking about the ease of navigation and handling of files through the itunes-like finder, the dock with stacks, and other stuff. I mean, it makes sense that an OS that's been updated regularly for the last ten years would be better than one that hasn't really changed that much in the same amount of time, doesn't it?


You've actually listed a bunch of things that I find to be negatives in OS/X. I say this because I can easily customize Windows or any Linux distro to have an interface that looks like whatever I want it to look like. Ultimately, there are more options for all the things you listed in other OSs; OS/X is the only OS that I can't make work however I want. That isn't a negative for everyone, of course. OS/X is certainly the most user-friendly out of the box, which is a huge plus for many people. I tend to rate customizability much higher than new-user-friendliness, but others might do the reverse. In any case, I don't think those things put it so far ahead of XP or many Linux distros.

That's what I've gathered from my admittedly limited use of Macs, anyway. I may have misconceptions because of my limited use, so take my opinions with a grain of salt.


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When you say "other modern OS" do you also mean like ubuntu and whatever because those aren't really viable options for comparison, at least to me.

How are those not viable options for comparison?

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Reply 17 of 27 (Originally posted on: 07-15-08 05:10:02 PM)
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Could you have gotten by purchasing a windows laptop at 1/2 the price? More than likely, yes.

It weighs 6.1 pounds, but it is still a good laptop I think.

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3945904&Sku=A180-15007%20KIT
Are you seriously comparing that laptop to the Macbook?

It has a Celeron(!!!!) processor. That's enough to warrant disgust. It's slower by about 400 Mhz (as a matter of fact, it's the same speed as my current laptop and 400 Mhz slower than the Macbook, which actually matters (not to mention the Macbook has a better CPU anyway, which makes it doubly matter)). It's pretty ugly compared to the Macbook. Granted, the look is frivolous, but I'm not going to lie, I like the way Macbook's look, which is also a factor that price or speed can't compensate for. Not to mention that laptop is larger and heavier than the Macbook.

I don't know much about OS/X myself, as I already said. And part of this is really an experiment to familiarize myself with a new operating system, since I am a computer science/software geek and enjoy that kind of stuff. In the end, while I may have saved $500 for a computer that is ultimately inferior to my current laptop, it's not worth it in the long run.


I didn't say that laptop was better than what you bought. I just said that for what you needed it for, it was more than capable for a lot less money.

I also said that if you enjoy the macbook, then it was a good buy.
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Reply 18 of 27 (Originally posted on: 07-16-08 02:17:26 PM)
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Quoted from Sandamnit:
...So who thinks I'm dumb for buying one? Who thinks it's a good purchase? Who here uses a Mac? Anyone? Anyone had any direct good or bad experiences with Macbooks or other Apple platforms (not simply just "I read online..." or "a friend of mine has a friend who knows a guy who had a Macbook and was really disappointed...")


All I know about Macs when I was forced to use them (way back in the day that I was at school) is that OS9 was insanely unstable and would crash if you gave it a dirty look, and I hate OSX... because I just do, though it was very stable when I used it, even on the pieces of shit computers that my school had (which may have also contributed to the instability of OS9).

Anyway, for what you want a laptop for, I don't think it will make any difference if it's a mac, linux, or windows machine. Though if you do want to do something in particular, finding software might well be harder for a mac.
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Reply 19 of 27 (Originally posted on: 07-16-08 02:44:43 PM)
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I haven't had much problem finding software, really. Basically, the only software I absolutely need, I was able to find for OS/X relatively easy.

NetBeans, LaTeX, GCC, Open Office, Firefox. That's about it for absolutely needed software.


p.s. posting from my Macbook.

p.p.s. I will say that it's definitely an adjustment from using Windows for such a long time. I like it though.
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Reply 20 of 27 (Originally posted on: 07-16-08 04:38:58 PM)
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Depending on what you use it for, the Mac can be great. A lot (read: just about all) of the graphic design students at my college swear by it, so it can't be all bad. A bunch of them ended up using other computers for a variety of other assignments, though. Possibly because their graphics programs take up a significant amount of space alongside their endless iTunes list.

I personally didn't like it in comparison to my laptop (likely from not being used to it at all), but my complaints are quite minor.
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Reply 21 of 27 (Originally posted on: 07-16-08 08:58:58 PM)
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How are those not viable options for comparison?

EDIT: oh god I'm defending windows what have i become


I guess simply because you can't really buy a laptop with one of them installed already, and that you have to do a lot of extra learning in order to use one of them.
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Reply 22 of 27 (Originally posted on: 07-16-08 09:47:35 PM)
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Yeah it's true that it's tough to buy them pre-installed, which I guess eliminates them in most people's minds. It shouldn't, really, though. The more user friendly ones are ridiculously easy to install, and don't require any more learning that going from Windows-to-Mac or vice versa would require. I guess the largest problem with that, though, is that it is hard to buy a laptop without an OS pre-installed; you pretty much are forced to purchase Windows or OS/X at the same time (though that has changed a tiny bit in the last couple years).
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Reply 23 of 27 (Originally posted on: 07-17-08 09:22:27 AM)
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I guess the novelty of something didn't ever make me want to drop an extra $500.
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Reply 24 of 27 (Originally posted on: 07-17-08 02:32:46 PM)
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I don't think you quite understand what it is I actually do.

I'm a computer science student. Part of learning computer science is understanding how computers and operating systems work on a level beyond the superficial pointing and clicking that most people don't care to ever look beyond. Having unlimited personal access to an operating system that I would otherwise only have access to at the school's Mac computer lab is certainly not a "novelty," especially when I have a class next Spring actually called "Operating Systems" wherein you analyze the infrastructure of how operating systems work and comparing and contrasting different operating systems.

Just because all you get out of using a computer is it being a tool to make your spreadsheet making, document writing, and email checking easier doesn't mean that other people don't get more out of them.

In your case, you're very well justified in saying that you couldn't justify for yourself spending an additional $500, but to ascribe that same standard to someone on a completely different level is just that, completely different. It's no different than telling someone who races cars that they shouldn't have spent an additional few thousand dollars on a car with better performance that handles better when they could've gotten a Geo Metro for $500 instead.
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