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I don't see a thread for it, so I am making it. If there is a current BSG thread, feel free to delete this one and bump the old one.

So what are your thoughts and opinions on the show? Who are the final five Cylons?

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They revealed 4 of the final five in the last season finale.

No idea who they're going to make number 5 though.

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My gut says that it is Starbucks, but my heart doesn't want to believe it. She has always been the one with the mentality of "we will fight until we can't fight anymore." It would be a huge blow to morale and the crew.

What about Baltar?

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Starbuck pretty much has to be a Cylon, given her reappearance at the end of the last episode.

Right now I'm just hoping that they actually finish the series:

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Moore acknowledged that due to the 2007-2008 Writers Guild of America strike, which has ended on February 13, 2008, the series might not be completed. Production was suspended on November 16, 2007, all personnel have been laid off, and only 13 of the 22 episodes have been completed (including 2 episodes comprising "Razor"). Although completion of the season is not a certainty, production may resume quickly, but the remaining episodes of Season 4 may not air until at least the fall of 2008, or early 2009.

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Starbuck pretty much has to be a Cylon, given her reappearance at the end of the last episode.

Right now I'm just hoping that they actually finish the series:

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Moore acknowledged that due to the 2007-2008 Writers Guild of America strike, which has ended on February 13, 2008, the series might not be completed. Production was suspended on November 16, 2007, all personnel have been laid off, and only 13 of the 22 episodes have been completed (including 2 episodes comprising "Razor"). Although completion of the season is not a certainty, production may resume quickly, but the remaining episodes of Season 4 may not air until at least the fall of 2008, or early 2009.

Yeah. I will be pretty bummed if they don't. BSG is the best show on TV in my opinion.

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http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/ says the Season Four premiere will be on Friday, April 4th.

Not much else to say. I think the fifth cylon will be Starbuck. Anyone else on the ship would've heard the music, but Starbuck wasn't on the ship therefore couldn't hear it.

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I think the fifth cylon will be Starbuck. Anyone else on the ship would've heard the music, but Starbuck wasn't on the ship therefore couldn't hear it.

Well that assumes that all five Cylons were activated at the same time, which might have been intimated by Roslin/Sharon/Hera seeing them all at the Opera House in their mass hallucination, but wasn't really expressly stated. Plus I just don't want it to be Starbuck.

I don't think it's Baltar either, because that would be easy absolution for the crimes he is still paying for, and also because he actually wants to be a Cylon.

Maybe it's Billy. He was supposed to be President! Take that Dualla, fucking bitch.

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In related news, SciFi has confirmed that a prequel to BSG, Caprica, will be made (source).

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It's ironic that Tigh, Tyrol, and Anders were the masterminds of the Cylon resistance, only to come to find out they are Cylons themselves.

About the Chief:

1. This makes Nicky the second half-human, half-Cylon baby.
2. Chief and Boomer had a Cylon/Cylon relationship.
3. It recasts his whole personal strife about thinking he was a Cylon in the second season, and his conversations with Brother Cavil. (Although Cavil's comment about never having seen him at the meetings would still stand. lol.)

Tyrol and Tigh both have long established service records in the fleet, meaning that if they are actually Cylons, they were created a long, long time ago, and I wonder about the time-line being established here, since it was shown in Razor that during the first Cylon war, Adama visited a lab where it seemed that humanoid Cylons were still basically in the rough draft stage. That was ~40 years ago, Tigh is ~60, and he was enlisted during the first Cylon war and has been friends with Adama for ~20 - 30 years.

This means that either humanoid Cylons were created long before currently suspected (and also that humanoid Cylons age, as we've seen various clips of Tigh throughout his life with the fleet), or that the writers really frakked up the canon on this one. I am curious to see how this plays out.

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Tyrol and Tigh both have long established service records in the fleet, meaning that if they are actually Cylons, they were created a long, long time ago, and I wonder about the time-line being established here, since it was shown in Razor that during the first Cylon war, Adama visited a lab where it seemed that humanoid Cylons were still basically in the rough draft stage. That was ~40 years ago, Tigh is ~60, and he was enlisted during the first Cylon war and has been friends with Adama for ~20 - 30 years.

I'm not entirely sure about the specifics, but I was thinking about the same thing earlier, about how Tyrol and Tigh have been in the military for quite some time and it seems strange that they'd end up just being Cylons for 40+ years or so.

My theory is that the Tyrol and Tigh we see in the show are not the REAL Tyrol and Tigh that were born as humans. Instead, at some point in time, either before the show's timeline or in the midst of the show's timeline, Tyrol and Tigh got switched out with their Cylon counterpart with the same dubbed-over memory convincing them that they weren't Cylons and had the same memories as the human Tyrol and Tigh.

This probably makes no sense, but Take it for what it's worth. Just a theory.

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That's a workable theory, though I thought that the Cylons were not modeled after specific human beings, but rather... amalgamations of human personalities.

Quoted from Wiki:
Ronald D. Moore has confirmed in interviews that there are twelve different models of humanoid Cylon, with many copies of each model in existence. The Cylons have nonverbal ways of sharing information but do not have a hive mind and are most often shown talking to one another. Even identical Cylons are separate individuals. Moore has also stated that the humanoid Cylons are not based on pre-existing humans: "The idea is not that there was likely an original human model that they were copied from. The idea was that these models of Cylon were sort of developed out of their own study of us. The Cylons on some level looked at humanity and said 'You know what? There's really only twelve of you.' If these are the twelve, and sort of if you look at them they each represent different archetypes of what humanity is."

At any rate I could think this to death but it might just be easier to let them tell me what the hell is going on.

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Tyrol and Tigh both have long established service records in the fleet, meaning that if they are actually Cylons, they were created a long, long time ago, and I wonder about the time-line being established here, since it was shown in Razor that during the first Cylon war, Adama visited a lab where it seemed that humanoid Cylons were still basically in the rough draft stage. That was ~40 years ago, Tigh is ~60, and he was enlisted during the first Cylon war and has been friends with Adama for ~20 - 30 years.
I'm not entirely sure about the specifics, but I was thinking about the same thing earlier, about how Tyrol and Tigh have been in the military for quite some time and it seems strange that they'd end up just being Cylons for 40+ years or so.

My theory is that the Tyrol and Tigh we see in the show are not the REAL Tyrol and Tigh that were born as humans. Instead, at some point in time, either before the show's timeline or in the midst of the show's timeline, Tyrol and Tigh got switched out with their Cylon counterpart with the same dubbed-over memory convincing them that they weren't Cylons and had the same memories as the human Tyrol and Tigh.

This probably makes no sense, but Take it for what it's worth. Just a theory.

Everyone that is in the final five was on the ground on New Caprica. They just got switched out there.

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The entire episode was great, but the first part before the "preview montage" opening credits was incredible. The production value of the show seems to have skyrocketed between the last season and this one.

Needless to say, it didn't disappoint and was well worth the wait.

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Episode 4.2 (Assuming Razor is 4.1) Was indeed incredible. The surreal events surrounding Thai and Adama right at the begining caused my fucking jaw to drop. As for the final cylon... Moore has stated It won't be any of the primary characters. I've been researching theories and trying to put the pieces together, and all i can gather is that Ronald D. Moore is a sick Fuck messing with his audience. Not that he isn't also a brilliant mind. Can't wait to find out more about Starbuck going off the deep end, and The Passion of Baltar, this Friday.

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Every episode this season has been amazing, but I really have no idea who the final cylon is. They keep saying that one will be revealed, but they have made allusions that it is Kara and Baltar. I am still putting on my chips on President Roslin.

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I hate, hate, hate Laura Roslin.

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Gaeta is the final Cylon.

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I completely agree. They focused entirely too much on him in this last episode. Though, I still think it may be Tom Zarek for some reason. Dunno why, maybe because he was the original Apollo and the producers want to pay homage to him. Who knows?

Anyway, yeah, Gaeta is my leading candidate now. Sucks that there's a two week hiatus before the mid-season cliffhanger, followed by another hiatus. Between this and Lost coming close this week, I'm a bit sad.

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I couldn't agree more Jeff.

I really like the character of Tom Zarek. I hope that they don't just let him fizzle away in all the hype with the cylon civil war happenings.

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I couldn't agree more Jeff.

I really like the character of Tom Zarek. I hope that they don't just let him fizzle away in all the hype with the cylon civil war happenings.

Speak of the devil. He was made president and gave it up in the same episode. This made me love the character of Tom even more. He is smart enough and humble enough to do the right thing.

As far as other highlight from the cliffhanger:

I LOVED the fist fight between Tigh and Adama. It made me think of old clips of Walter Matthou and Jack Lemon. All in all though, it just gave a lot of spice to the episode. Everyone is stressed out, and sometimes it takes an outburst to ground us.

I knew that Tigh was fucking around with Caprica Six, but I didn't expect her to become pregnant. That is some hardcore shit... Who is to say it isn't Baltar's though?

I also loved that the Admiral put on a flight suit. I kept expecting it, but it finally happened.

The best part however was when Lee was held at gunpoint by the lawyer and convinced to take the office of the president.

So when does this shit come back on? I can't wait.

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So when does this shit come back on? I can't wait.

Friday. But yeah, the previous episode was great.

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That's weird. scifi.com/bsg is listing the next episode as airing on June 6th, but epguides.com doesn't have it listed. That site has been rather reliable in the past, kinda shocked it's not reliable in this case. Either way, fucking awesome, I wasn't expected any more BSG until August/September.

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There's two more episodes until the break. Because then they'll be out of episodes, thanks to the writer's strike. I think they were originally going to have the break after the 10th episode, but the writer's striike confused everything. And we probably won't get the second half of the season until next year.

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So, what did you think?

Basically it tied up all loose ends on what I was expecting to happen. Now I am at a crossroads and have no idea what to expect, other than the obvious - Adama and Roslin head back to the fleet.

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