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I don't get it, what did all those signs say? I can't read...

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I get the impression that this was made by a bunch of freshmen who haven't quite decided on a major yet and are taking a bunch of 100-level classes that just so happen to be taught in an auditorium setting, and because of this are disillusioned by the large non-personal learning environments.

Frankly, I think the message is agreeable, but also safe and non-controversial. It looks like something you might see during a commercial break of an Olson twins after-school special.

It wasn't bad, but it wasn't good either, nothing particularly new or memorable or noteworthy. Whoa! You mean learning is done in the classroom! Mind. Blown. Aside from the heavy use of cliches, there were a few foot-in-mouth moments. Particularly when one girl holds up a sign that says, "I only read 49% of my assigned reading. Only 26% of it will apply to my life." Give me a fucking break. That kind of mentality is exactly what is diluting the education pool in this country. Too many people don't want to learn shit that doesn't apply to their major of choice, because they feel as if it won't apply to what they're going to do in life. It's an ignorant, jaded, and narrow-minded viewpoint. Just because I'm a CompSci/Math major doesn't mean I shouldn't learn about art and literature and history.

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"I only read 49% of my assigned reading. Only 26% of it will apply to my life." Give me a fucking break. That kind of mentality is exactly what is diluting the education pool in this country.

I agree to an extent. However when I talk to my friends going to various state schools, and they tell me about the classes they're taking, (Ice Skating, Tennis, other very-specific-stupid subject courses) I just cringe.

These aren't just people who are still undecided and just taking whatever comes along till they figure it out. Engineers, Pre-Med students for example are taking this stuff.

I absolutely love History and Literature, and even Tennis - but to be honest, in college, only if you have the time/money for it.

In high school, and even middle school, I hated people who would complain about having to learn shit they'd never use. How should they know, they have no idea what they're going to have to use. Until 9th/10th grade I absolutely hated math and never expected to have that in my future, but here I am now with notebooks crammed full of it. If I didn't give it a chance I would have never discovered my knack/like for it.

This goes for college too, but I think if you have a direction you want to aim for, and you're comfortable aiming straight for it, you should, for the most part, be able to aim straight there (that was a lot of commas). You are paying for it after all.

I'm taking a "Hebrew Prophets" course right now, and honestly I couldn't be more thrilled with it. It is an awesome buffer class between all the other stuff.

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I've only taken one "arts" class in my undergrad career, and it was the ONLY class of mine that fit the bill of this video.

The rest of my classes are at an average size of 30, and most of not all of my profs know me by a first-name basis.

Maybe the issue isn't education is too broad and too convoluted, but the fact that alot of students enter university with no major and no motivation for succeed. Maybe we should filter out half of the "art history" and "cultural studies" majors that just picked it so it'd be easy, and enrol them in some kind of trade school.

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It's a cultural anthropology class at Kansas State, FYI.

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49%? 26%? those numbers seem awfully high, to be honest. I don't usually read more than 10% of assigned readings unless the class is particularly inspiring or interesting. It's just not necessary to fulfill the requirements presented by the teacher in most cases.

It's even worse here in Germany. Your grade in a seminar is based upon two things, a presentation and a paper. You do a presentation on X, and then you write a paper about it. Consequently, I have a class called "Political Dominance in the Near East, Jordan and Syria, 1950 - 2003" (already very narrowly focused), and since my presentation was on Jordan under Abdullah II (1999-2003), that was all I had to do the reading for.

There's discussion, true, but you don't really have to do any reading to be able to discuss it, especially if someone's just given a 40 minute presentation about it.

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I go to one of the largest state schools in the country, and this large class stuff still only applied to a few large, low level, general education classes that I took. Most of my classes for my major are rather small, and my teachers are on a first-name basis with me. I kinda agree with Sandamnit. Much of this video just seems like freshman whining. And I want to punch the kid with the "only 26% of my assignments are relevant to my life" sign because that's an idiotic statement.

Also, anthropology, at UF at least, is one of the majors that is kinda a joke. It's really easy. Cultural Anthropology is one of the easiest of the Anthro courses, and tons of people take it for General Education credit.

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Wow, 115? I've never had a class over 35, and on average...it's probably about 15.
The "I will read 8 books per year" thing really worries me. I wonder if that includes textbooks...four books a semester isn't too far-fetched.

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And I want to punch the kid with the "only 26% of my assignments are relevant to my life" sign because that's an idiotic statement.

It was the whole class' determination, not just her. Don't shoot the messenger.

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I'm not in Uni as of yet, but I've sat in on a few classes for what my major will be (basically CompSci) and the class is usually too busy to be browsing Facebook, most of the time is spent doing what the teacher is talking about. No one actually listens to much of what the prof says, but a lot of the time you don't need to unless it's in a lecture hall.

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And I want to punch the kid with the "only 26% of my assignments are relevant to my life" sign because that's an idiotic statement.

I think anyone who says that needs to be punched, it's only irrelevant because you don't know how to use it. Maybe if you'd pay attention in those classes... kekeke u give soj???

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The biggest classes I have are, surprise, the general education stuff. Physics I & II, Chem I & II, the Ethics class, and the low-level Economics classes are the only ones that break 100 students in the class. After that is Earth Systems, which reaches into the 80's. From there it's 35 or less. And most of the classes I'm taking are useful (it's debatable whether Ethics is, though, as you should have ethics already) and I can already start applying them to my life.

It's all relative, really.

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When I was doing Advertising, my classes were packed with people. We could be as many as 175, easily. It was pretty chaotic - but then, Advertising was a joke anyway.

In Translation & Interpretation though we're far less people per class. It varies a lot depending on what class it is and what you chose as your third language, but I don't think we've ever been more than 60 people in any given class. And that's pretty rare - in my Finnish II class there were 7 of us, and in my Literary Translation class we were less than 15 people. I suppose the average is 25-30 people per class now.

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I've had classes ranging from over 300 people to 15 and less.

The classes with over 300 people in them are prerequisite courses. I can understand why in that case, and it didn't bother me. It wouldn't bother me anyway, in fact, I sometimes have liked big classes. They make me feel as though I don't have to speak up and discuss things on a constant basis, and be judged on that. Also, it helps for a quick snooze, a brief chat or a quick snack. Most of the large lecture halls have the nice chairs.

The classes with less than 15 people are generally very specific, high level classes. Most are seminar based. These are the classes I've been in - for the most part - these last couple years or so. They're okay, and I love discussing, but they generally happen to be the classes you can't miss.

The usefulness of some classes are arguable. There are credits I took which mean nothing to me, and only helped lower my GPA. For others, I can see a use for certain classes, but for my education they never seemed relevant. Take math. Useless for me. I generally do worse off than in other courses. I can, however, see the usefulness for other people in other degrees.

For me, there's more legitimate qualms than class size and useless credits.

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Take math. Useless for me.

I don't really understand that. Math seems enormously beneficial to anyone who bothers to try to understand it, just because it teaches critical thinking and problem solving better than pretty much anything else. The skills you develop by continuing math education are directly applicable to all fields, even ones that aren't math-based. They require math general education courses at most places now, but it's typically a joke. I think it'd be wonderful if more people took at least one Calc course and one simple proof-based course.

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There are 150 mechanical engineers in my class. We all take the same classes. Even in my 2nd semester junior year, with "high" level classes, we are always in 200 person lecture halls.

That being said, the problems are not with the system. They are with the individual. We all have our own responsibility to learn the information to the extent we want to. Big classes don't have a huge impact on my learning, as we all have to do the homework, and we all have to pass the tests. College will never prepare you for the real life if all you do is take classes. Internships, research, jobs, all much more significant experiences than any one class. All the classes do is provide you with tools that may help you be successful in your career.

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There are 150 mechanical engineers in my class. We all take the same classes. Even in my 2nd semester junior year, with "high" level classes, we are always in 200 person lecture halls.

Really? I'm a second semester mechanical engineering junior, and we only have one huge lecture class together, but its not really a class as much as it is a preparation for our senior design projects.

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I'm not an mechanical engineering major, but some of my friends are, and none of their classes are 200 people. Most of the upper level ones aren't very big, here.

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Take math. Useless for me.

I don't really understand that. Math seems enormously beneficial to anyone who bothers to try to understand it, just because it teaches critical thinking and problem solving better than pretty much anything else. The skills you develop by continuing math education are directly applicable to all fields, even ones that aren't math-based. They require math general education courses at most places now, but it's typically a joke. I think it'd be wonderful if more people took at least one Calc course and one simple proof-based course.

I've ended up taking differential calculus and statistics. They're not helpful for me, and I know that may be hard to believe, but they do nothing for any skills I've already developed. I've already developed the critical thinking skills I see necessary to be successful, and so far I've been successful. The last place I'd give an onus of providing those skills - for me - is math. I didn't and don't care at all how to crunch numbers, I'd much rather crunch papers.

I'm of the conclusion that people have varying ways of learning, and of varying ways of gaining the same or similar skills for their area of expertise. Math may be yours, it's not one of mine. I'm certain I'm not the only one either.

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My point being is that big classes to me, are not the problem. People like to blame things on "big class" sizes, but in reality those who want to learn it will.

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I'm sorry, I didn't watch this whole video. I got so bored of it because it was trying to be artsy or cool or something with all the stupid writing and shit on the chairs. I wish they just had someone reading it.

So am I to surmize that this video is bitching about current college education? The two main factors being large class sizes, and being forced to learn irrelevant information? Please let me know if I'm wrong or missed a major issue. If this is true, I'll give you my expert opinion on it.

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Wow, you must be autistic or something, it wasn't that long...

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Take math. Useless for me.

I don't really understand that. Math seems enormously beneficial to anyone who bothers to try to understand it, just because it teaches critical thinking and problem solving better than pretty much anything else. The skills you develop by continuing math education are directly applicable to all fields, even ones that aren't math-based. They require math general education courses at most places now, but it's typically a joke. I think it'd be wonderful if more people took at least one Calc course and one simple proof-based course.

I've never taken Calculus--the "highest" I've gone is pre-calc, and I didn't understand the relevance of more than half of it. The only other time I've ever run into any sort of pre-calc or calc was in History of Math. It isn't really a key part of my life and probably never will be, beyond the mathematics involved in drafting and carpentry.

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Wow, you must be autistic or something, it wasn't that long...

It's almost 5 minutes...

Not that a 5 minute video is extreeeeeeeeeemely long and impossible for me to watch, but like I said, it was really boring and it's artsy nature pissed me off. I figured I could get the gist of it from the thread. And apparently with people like you, I can't simply have someone says "yeah, that's about it."

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Quoted from wheezy:
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Wow, you must be autistic or something, it wasn't that long...

It's almost 5 minutes...

Not that a 5 minute video is extreeeeeeeeeemely long and impossible for me to watch, but like I said, it was really boring and it's artsy nature pissed me off. I figured I could get the gist of it from the thread. And apparently with people like you, I can't simply have someone says "yeah, that's about it."

Yeah, that's about it.

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Quoted from Sunny:
Quoted from wheezy:
Quoted from Purple:
Wow, you must be autistic or something, it wasn't that long...

It's almost 5 minutes...

Not that a 5 minute video is extreeeeeeeeeemely long and impossible for me to watch, but like I said, it was really boring and it's artsy nature pissed me off. I figured I could get the gist of it from the thread. And apparently with people like you, I can't simply have someone says "yeah, that's about it."

Yeah, that's about it.

Stop enabling people, Sunny. Watching people suffer should be second nature to you.

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