Quoted from Mr. E. on the other thread:

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This poll is flawed. There is various degrees of mental illness and so it cant be yes or no.

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Mental: Some person who's mental condition doesn't enable them to either think or act in a socially productive manner. (I.E. a suffer of, say, ADD who has the attention span of a few minutes)

Physical: Some person who's physical condition prevents them from performing some trade or socially productive activity. (I.E. someone who's spinal cord was severed and they can no longer perform any bodily functions without the aid of an outside force)

Sociological: Some person who exhibits an incapacity to exist within the normal confines of a society's written or unwritten rules. (I.E. a criminal who routinely steals, vandalizes, destroys, or has no respect for property or other human beings within said society.)

Quoted from Dimi:

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No. Once we decide to start killing people for having ADD or some sort of social disorder, where do we decide to stop? Soon we're trying to prove ourselves worthy of life - which is a right not a privilege.

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Quoted from Snook:

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Voted "Yes with some reservations". I'll sound like an ass for this, but honestly I'd rather not have to deal with the burden they place on their family & on society. I've seen my share of mental retardation, and the strains it places on their caretakers. It sucks.

But, I wouldn't kill someone because they had ADD or something that some psychiatrist invented (in regards to the mental aspect). I was "diagnosed" with ADD, and yet I'm working to become a productive member of society... Most mental illnesses are bunk, really.

As to the physical handicap: there are some people who, despite debilitating handicaps, have contributed much to society (Steven Hawkings).

People who don't obey the basic laws of society (don't kill, steal, rape, etc.), and are caught doing what they do more than once (in the case of stealing; rape & murder should be capitol offenses), have shown a lack of restraint (or are in dire circumstances a la poverty & stealing bread, which makes things complicated).

So yeah, I don't agree with Viss's reasoning, but I do with his overall message, to some degree. I just think the money could be spent elsewhere.

Confusing post but I got 4 hours of sleep after a shitload of physics... Catch me on this later.

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Quoted from candicecan:

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No, This is wrong on so many levels.

If you're not meant to be alive, then God will strike you down in some way or another.

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Oh shit, the "God deems it so!" argument. Get a better crutch.

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Quoted from Zippo:

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Quoted from Snook:

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I'll sound like an ass for this, but honestly I'd rather not have to deal with the burden they place on their family & on society. I've seen my share of mental retardation, and the strains it places on their caretakers. It sucks.

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Yes, but would they prefer the person under their care to be dead?

Mental illnesses are NOT bunk if they are diagnosed and treated correctly. There is a physiological basis to them and are not because little Johnny does poorly on his homework because he plays video games all day therefore he must have ADD.

Maybe if people who committed crimes were rehabilitated, you would have less repeat offenders.

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Quoted from candicecan:

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I guess you did not catch my sarcasm, This isn't in serious discussion so I was cracking a joke.

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Quoted from vissario:

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Quoted from zippo:

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Maybe if people who committed crimes were rehabilitated, you would have less repeat offenders.

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And what, force me to "rehabilitate" them by spending money, time, and resources that could otherwise be benefit general society? If people really wanted to benefit mutually with society, they would do so without qualm or need for "education".

If a man who steals stole once, he will likely do it again when he gets out. He is not an unreplaceable asset to humanity and is actually a burden upon it as he threatens the basic principles governing the economy. Clearly stated, his worth is nothing; his value is negative.

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[13:06] rchif0: what about furthering it.. if you could genetically engineer that trait away, is that wrong?
[13:06] sukkit7: no
[13:06] sukkit7: I don't think so
[13:07] rchif0: that's basically my point.
[13:07] rchif0: whatever way to get rid of a trait like that pre-birth

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Voted "Yes with some reservations". I'll sound like an ass for this, but honestly I'd rather not have to deal with the burden they place on their family & on society. I've seen my share of mental retardation, and the strains it places on their caretakers

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