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Donkey, elephant or [random third-party group that never goes anywhere]?
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Democrat 2 votes, 6.667%
Republican 3 votes, 10%
Green 4 votes, 13.333%
Libertarian 6 votes, 20%
Independent 5 votes, 16.667%
Nonpartisan 3 votes, 10%
Comedy Reform option 0 votes, 0%
I am a foreigner. 7 votes, 23.333%
Totals: 30 votes, 103.058%
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(Originally posted on: 05-17-07 06:57:21 PM)
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Which parties' beliefs do you subscribe to? Why?

Discuss the current candidates for president and how shitty they all are. Who do YOU want to run for president?

Also, if I'm missing any parties let me know. If you're looking for the "Socialist" option, just pick "Democrat." They're the same thing these days.
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Reply 1 of 52 (Originally posted on: 05-17-07 07:20:28 PM)
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I am a filthy immigrant so it dosent matter. However I have pretty much voted Conservative in the last few National and Provincal elections.
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Reply 2 of 52 (Originally posted on: 05-17-07 07:26:58 PM)
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I chose Libertarian because these days, they are the only ones who really want to abide by the constitution and give me the rights and liberties the constitution supposedly grants.

The democratic and republican party are just two sides of the same coin; one is slightly more liberal and the other slightly more conservative, but on the whole, they believe in the exact same things. Big government, big welfare programs, big national "defense" budgets, and of course, big catering to special interest groups.

The only difference between the two is nominal at best and their support base differentiate themselves on only the slightest of margins.

Thus why I pick libertarian. Unlike the other two, they push for no welfare programs not approved by the local community and state, no frivolous morality laws preventing people from consuming drugs or becoming a prostitute, and most of all, they allow me to live whatever kind of life I want without either imputing on someone elses or having them impugn on mine.
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Reply 3 of 52 (Originally posted on: 05-17-07 07:32:13 PM)
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I'm a Republican, but I'm a registered Democrat (long story). I'm sick of seeing how American politics has degenerated into a mudslinging disaster, and I'm sick of choosing the lesser of two evils. I'd like to see a moderate party finally form, and considering the extremism of the two parties today, I think it's only a matter of time before this occurs.

I vote Angus for president.
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Reply 4 of 52 (Originally posted on: 05-17-07 07:49:19 PM)
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The democratic and republican party are just two sides of the same coin; one is slightly more liberal and the other slightly more conservative, but on the whole, they believe in the exact same things. Big government, big welfare programs, big national "defense" budgets, and of course, big catering to special interest groups.

The only difference between the two is nominal at best and their support base differentiate themselves on only the slightest of margins.


I don't think that's really true. There are significant differences between Democrats and Republicans, enough so that I was a bit relieved when Republicans lost control of Congress. The Iraq war, for example, probably would not have happened with a Democratic president. Of course, Democrats originally supported the Iraq war, but that was based on what can most charitably be called cherry picking intelligence.

In any case, I put Green but I'm probably somewhere between Green and Libertarian. I am a strong supporter of individual liberties, but I also believe that a capitalist economy can't benefit society without heavy regulation. And I don't mean environmental regulations or taxes, I mean strong anti-monopoly and strong consumer rights legislation.

For me, this includes pretty much eliminating patents and copyright, as patents usually prevent competition and copyright puts culture in the hands of corporations. No particular party fits really well with my agenda, though the Green party is closest, and the Libertarian party next closest.
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Reply 5 of 52 (Originally posted on: 05-17-07 07:52:09 PM)
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Choose comedy foreigner option. I vote center-left.
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Reply 6 of 52 (Originally posted on: 05-17-07 08:04:06 PM)
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Choose comedy foreigner option. I vote center-left.

Foreigners explain something: is left the same in other countries as it is in America? I think in Italy the left means republican/conservative views, while right is generally associated with democratic/liberal views. Is it different for different countries?
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Reply 7 of 52 (Originally posted on: 05-17-07 08:17:17 PM)
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Choose comedy foreigner option. I vote center-left.

Foreigners explain something: is left the same in other countries as it is in America? I think in Italy the left means republican/conservative views, while right is generally associated with democratic/liberal views. Is it different for different countries?


Canada

The Right -Progressive Conserv/ Conservative Party
The Left/Centre - Liberals
Socalist, Far Left - N.D.P
country seperating assclowns - Bloc Quebecois
dope smoking hippies - green

Generally the Liberals and Conservatives swing back and forth in their ideology close to the centre.

There is lots of pockets of extreme left and right political views in all partys but for the most part gets fucking ingored cause most people here are concerned about more jobs, health care, education, fixing the fucking house sized pot holes, cost of beer etc.
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Reply 8 of 52 (Originally posted on: 05-17-07 08:19:59 PM)
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I sit on the fence in most things. I'm left wing on most social issues and right wing on many economic issues. I tend to lean more to the right when I live with my dad and more to the left when I live with other college students (yay sticking to your guns). I voted Conservative in the last election because I wanted a change.
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Reply 9 of 52 (Originally posted on: 05-17-07 09:10:40 PM)
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I don't think that's really true. There are significant differences between Democrats and Republicans, enough so that I was a bit relieved when Republicans lost control of Congress. The Iraq war, for example, probably would not have happened with a Democratic president. Of course, Democrats originally supported the Iraq war, but that was based on what can most charitably be called cherry picking intelligence.



A democratic president wouldn't have instigated a war in Iraq? Unknown.

A democratic-led congress would have rejected the war in Iraq and sent the troops home after 90 days? Unlikely.

Facts are facts, Ety, democratic and republican supporters almost always agree on broad issues. It is only in the implementation and results of them which they have minor differences.

If China were to quell the "rebellion" in Taiwan tomorrow, I highly doubt there were be any major dissenters against going to war with China or at least imposing heavy trade sanctions against them.

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I think in Italy the left means republican/conservative views, while right is generally associated with democratic/liberal views


The "left" in Europe is composed of broad-ranged democratic socialists while the "right" is probably the rough equivalent of the American democratic party.
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Reply 10 of 52 (Originally posted on: 05-18-07 01:28:45 AM)
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I'd like to see a moderate party finally form, and considering the extremism of the two parties today, I think it's only a matter of time before this occurs.

Wait, so you want a new party that falls somewhere between the democrats and the republicans? That's going to be one tight, indistinct centre.
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The "left" in Europe is composed of broad-ranged democratic socialists while the "right" is probably the rough equivalent of the American democratic party.

Pretty much, yeah. At least as far as mainstream left and right are concerned.

In Spain the right-wing has a thing for saying they're centrists. I suppose that might be because of the association of the right and the military dictatorship.
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Reply 11 of 52 (Originally posted on: 05-18-07 07:28:21 AM)
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I chose Libertarian because these days, they are the only ones who really want to abide by the constitution and give me the rights and liberties the constitution supposedly grants.

The democratic and republican party are just two sides of the same coin; one is slightly more liberal and the other slightly more conservative, but on the whole, they believe in the exact same things. Big government, big welfare programs, big national "defense" budgets, and of course, big catering to special interest groups.

The only difference between the two is nominal at best and their support base differentiate themselves on only the slightest of margins.

Thus why I pick libertarian. Unlike the other two, they push for no welfare programs not approved by the local community and state, no frivolous morality laws preventing people from consuming drugs or becoming a prostitute, and most of all, they allow me to live whatever kind of life I want without either imputing on someone elses or having them impugn on mine.


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Reply 12 of 52 (Originally posted on: 05-18-07 07:49:55 AM)
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Ron Paul was pretty impressive in that Republican debate. Guiliani looked like a schmuck.

I don't have a party affiliation. In fact, the affiliation on my voter registration card says "Unknown." I like to vote for the "little guy," mainly because these types of candidates don't have huge corporate backings and don't have some underhanded agenda or a completely watered-down/centrist/status quo platform. I voted for Nader in the last election.
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Reply 13 of 52 (Originally posted on: 05-18-07 09:45:25 AM)
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Next election, I'm voting Communist.
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Reply 14 of 52 (Originally posted on: 05-18-07 02:01:35 PM)
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I vote Angus for president.


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Is being a democrat kind of like watching Big Brother? Because otherwise I don't understand the poll results.
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Reply 16 of 52 (Originally posted on: 05-18-07 02:53:36 PM)
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After watching mega corporations do their level best to stamp out every business or service I care about, I have become a devoted Green voter.
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Reply 17 of 52 (Originally posted on: 05-18-07 06:45:08 PM)
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Quoted from vissario:
I chose Libertarian because these days, they are the only ones who really want to abide by the constitution and give me the rights and liberties the constitution supposedly grants.

The democratic and republican party are just two sides of the same coin; one is slightly more liberal and the other slightly more conservative, but on the whole, they believe in the exact same things. Big government, big welfare programs, big national "defense" budgets, and of course, big catering to special interest groups.

The only difference between the two is nominal at best and their support base differentiate themselves on only the slightest of margins.

Thus why I pick libertarian. Unlike the other two, they push for no welfare programs not approved by the local community and state, no frivolous morality laws preventing people from consuming drugs or becoming a prostitute, and most of all, they allow me to live whatever kind of life I want without either imputing on someone elses or having them impugn on mine.


Agree 100%. The government that governs least governs best. I'm seriously worried about what's going to happen to this country if the democrats take the White House in 2008. Socialist police state, here we come. Vissario, have you read "Somebody's Gotta Say It" by Neal Boortz? Very, very good book.

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After watching free market competition do their level best to stamp out every business or service I care about, I have become a devoted Green voter.


Fixed.

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Q: Do you have a right to vote in national elections?

Q: What did the sixteenth amendment authorize?
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Reply 18 of 52 (Originally posted on: 05-18-07 07:28:11 PM)
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Vissario, have you read "Somebody's Gotta Say It" by Neal Boortz? Very, very good book


No, but I'll look into it.

Personally, I think the best book most people in this country should read would be the Leviathan, by Thomas Hobbes. Despite being written over 450 years ago, its relevance to modern society is very real and its lesson about what society will 'give up' for something is startlingly true in our society. For example, while it may seem wise to "protect" our liberties by tightening immigration, security measures, and generally imprisoning "dangerous" people, it sacrifices personal liberties, cultural advancement, and the themes which we pride ourselves on.

Unfortunately, I haven't yet got Oprah to convince her minions to read it.

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Q: Do you have a right to vote in national elections?



I would say that is more a privilege than a right as stipulated in the constitution.

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Next election, I'm voting Communist.


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Reply 19 of 52 (Originally posted on: 05-19-07 03:44:42 PM)
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Yeah, it's real competitive to go to the relevant government agency and have them pass a bunch of rules that screw over every company making less than $100 million a year.
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Reply 20 of 52 (Originally posted on: 05-19-07 03:58:11 PM)
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Yeah, it's real competitive to go to the relevant government agency and have them pass a bunch of rules that screw over every company making less than \$100 million a year.
That is what happens when you have a government that has the power to pass whatever rules and regulations it feels like. Some will blame corporations for working with that system, I blame the system that allows a big government to do whatever whenever. Libertarian.
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Reply 21 of 52 (Originally posted on: 05-19-07 04:02:47 PM)
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Yeah, it's real competitive to go to the relevant government agency and have them pass a bunch of rules that screw over every company making less than \\\$100 million a year.
That is what happens when you have a government that has the power to pass whatever rules and regulations it feels like. Some will blame corporations for working with that system, I blame the system that allows a big government to do whatever whenever. Libertarian.

On the other hand, what happens when you have a government that never does anything about the economy is the Great Depression.
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Reply 22 of 52 (Originally posted on: 05-19-07 04:07:14 PM)
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Whats the difference between Independant and Non-Partisan?
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On the other hand, what happens when you have a government that never does anything about the economy is the Great Depression.


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Reply 24 of 52 (Originally posted on: 05-19-07 04:42:05 PM)
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I voted independent; my political ideas don't line up with any of the well known parties in the US. I agree with vissario about the Democrats and Republicans, but I am unwilling to support the Libertarians because they have their own set of flaws. For instance, I consider the Constitution to be a rather imperfect document in a number of areas, so while the strict interpretation of it favored by the Libertarians in great in a number of respects, it also has limitations. Further, some of the candidates that the Libertarian party has offered in recent years have been jokes.

Also, I too wonder what the difference is between Non-Partisan and Independent in this poll.
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