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Reply 21 of 80 (Originally posted on: 09-16-06 04:20:36 PM)
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Let me start by saying, no one here speaks for me, and just because they've agreed with me or are on "my side" doesn't mean I neccessarily agree with them.
Second, girlsgonegenocidal, i'm sorry your -karma has gone up for this, I didn't give you any and I don't think you deserved to recieve any for what you've said.
Now in response to you, you've made a lot of assumtions about what i'm saying that aren't the case, which is fair for you to have done because I really made a vauge thread with no explination.
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People pop collars because it is fasionable in some circles to do so. Unless that kid is mentally handicapped, he would know why he does it, because it's fasionable. Now if you would have said "I think popped collars are ridiculous" I would back you up, they are. However, you tried to make some half-assed social commentary about how rich kids are are fake without any discussion on how they are fake or why. Just some amateur school newspaper comic that makes little sense, and like you, is attempting to make a point about something without saying anything about the subject. I understand that the paper is trying to say that people blindly follow and don't know why, and there is a lot to discuss there, but to target something so insignificant and not tie in any greater problem in the association is kind of lame.
To start, I posted the comic because I found it funny, and it can describe a lot of people I've seen. I wasn't using it to make some sort of social statement or anything any deeper than being funny. It was sort of, "Heres my post, here's why i'm bitching, and now heres something funny about it."
The paper I got it from did go on on a long article about it, and to be fair, they did make a point like the subject. I didn't, because, well, I didn't feel like it, I just kinda wanted to put this subject out there, and I wanted to put the comic out there cause it made me laugh.
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And if your post is about rich kids being shallow then why did you not go any further in depth than to say "I don't like it when people are shallow". If it's about the pop-collar phenomenon, well you didn't really say anything about that either. I see I have doubled my negative k by disagreeing with you on something. Now if only you guys could argue rationally.
I didn't go any further cause I didn't feel like it. As you can see by the length of the original post, I was in no mood to really make a point. Originally I thought to post just the title and the picture and leave it at that and not have any sort of discussion about it, but then I decided, let me toss in a few words as to what inspired this.
For your next post, I wont respond again to the first part, I'll just ask that we stop discussing the comic as anything more than a joke. Thats really all it is, theres no need to analyze it any further than the surface of it. I found it funny, if you didn't think it was funny, let it go.
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The point is that it's worse to assume people are "fake" without knowing them. Everyone looks "fake" when you don't understand them. I don't understand them, but I suppose they like the way they are and that means they are being REAL. Thinking that a certain group of people is completely shallow and your own group isn't is really shallow and arrogant in itself. Rich preppy kids have real and emotional relationships too. These people are reknown for their arrogance. But I'm here to tell you there is WAY more arrogance in the small alternative groups. I know because I am very arrogant myself.
This is another point i'd like to address though. I know I didn't make it all clear in my previous posts, so it was fair of you to assume this, but its not like i'm completely assuming these things. Like I said at one point, I haven't met half the people, so I can't say anything on them. But I have met a lot, and i'm not going to get into why I think each person is shallow or fake (fake bothers me more than shallow), but I don't think its arrogant to think other people are fake and my "group" is not. I know my "group" isn't shallow and fake because my "group" consists of like 10 kids who i've been close with for atleast 2 and at most 12 years. And I know them all pretty well, and if they were fake or liars, I wouldn't hang out with them any more (and that has happened before). My "group" isn't a group of kids that dress the same or all have the same interests or all like the same music or anything, we're just a group of good kids that have grown close over the years. Then I've got other people i've met that I think are also good people and I like to hang out with them too, they could be anyone. Good people are good people, and I like spending time with good people.
Again, i'm not just totally assuming things. Throughout last year I had met a fair share of kids that were infact arrogant, shallow, liars and fake. I blew it off because, as much as I hate it, those kinds of people are everywhere. However, the more people I meet, the more I find a great majority of these guys and gals are this way, which is something I dont find other places.
Thank you for telling me about arrogance, but I didn't really need to hear it. I know theres pleanty of arrogance that goes with every 'clique', I don't know (or care) which group harbors the most, but the topic of the hour is the arrogance of the kids i'm thinking about. If you want to discuss a more broad range or arrogant people, feel free to start a new thread, I wont challange it. Or even if you want to talk about it here go ahead, but don't think I disagree with you about it. I know you're assuming a lot about me, and I know I would too if I were you and I knew nothing about me and I read this thread.
As for everyone else telling their stories about popping they're collars or why they think popping they're collars is stupid or any of that, feel free to continue your discussion in this thread and duke it out, but just keep in mind what I said at the beginning of this post,
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Let me start by saying, no one here speaks for me, and just because they've agreed with me or are on "my side" doesn't mean I neccessarily agree with them.
AND more importantly what I said at the beginning of this thread,
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This is about a lot more than Popped collars, though i'm not gonna bother elaborating.
I probably should have elaborated. Oh well, hopefully this posts clears everything up.
"They could have grown up to become Hitler....collectively." - Ztolk's creepy Flash man
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