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Ok, so I'm brand brand new to the world of firearms.

In fact I just bought my first last week, one of these.
Mine is an '03 so it doesn't quite look like that (the barrel is round) but it's the same thing. Anyway, it's a really nice pistol for a begginer. It strikes well, it's heavy, it has a long barrel, and it's a light caliber. All in all, I love it.

I've fired exactly 300 rounds with it and I've cleaned it twice already. I really really enjoy cleaning it, it's relaxing to me. Slow and methodical, I'm very particular about some of the smallest details when it comes to shining up all the little parts and pieces.

Now, here's where you guys come in:

What sorts of products come highly recommended for taking care of pistols? Currently I'm using some stuff called Gun Scrubber by Birchwood Casey. It's some spray stuff that... I'm not so sure about. The lady that taught my firearms course loved it, but I don't really see the point.
Then I have this Bore Snake that I pretty much like. All I do is put some weapons lube on the front part and pull it down the tube a few times. When I check afterwards it's all shiny and clean. I like that...

Next comes the old T-Shirt with which I wipe down everything I can see. When I'm done I'm quite impressed by the way it looks, but I wonder if I'm really accomplishing what I need to be doing on the functional side.

Anyway, what sorts of products do you use on your weapons, how do you use them, and how often?

Any tips and strategies on quality care for your guns?

Ok, that's good to know...

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Toss that shit after you use it. And fuck up the barrel.

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I cant remember what products but just keeping your gun clean of carbon and keeping it well oiled should ensure everything is going to be working for years to come. It isnt that difficult just dont slack on it.

Bullets do have a shelf life and can cause problems later, as in not going off as desired at the right time.

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Spray for the barrel, the gel/liquid shit for the bits and pieces. Brands don't really mean anything since its pretty much all the same.

Rather than an old tee-shirt, invest in one of those re-usable oiled rags (they're slightly damp with cleaning-oil) to wipe it down when you're done cleaning, they're usually yellow and come in zip-lock bags so they don't dry out.

Bore snakes are nice, just be sure to wash it every 5-10 times you use it, the one I have is machine washable, otherwise it starts dirtying up the barrel more than clean it.

Just be sure to clean the part where the hammer strikes the firing pin and you're golden.

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Anyone here who knows a lot about guns is likely going to hate what I'm about to say: WD-40 works wonders when cleaning guns.

I used nothing but WD-40 on my M249-SAW while I was in Iraq, and it would stay clean longer than simply using gun oil, which acted like a magnet for sand and shit. I never used gun oil on it, even before firing I used WD-40. The gun was never a huge mess of oil and carbon after range exercises and the like, and I noticed that the carbon build-up was actually quite a bit less with WD-40 over gun oil. Actual wear and tear, however, I'm not sure if WD-40 affects that negatively or anything.

Also, that Browning is pretty popular with beginners and target shooters, but I prefer the Ruger 22/45 for small plinking pistols. It's really all personal preference, but I just like the look/feel of a Ruger over a Browning.

Once I manage to sell my Mini-14 Ranch I'm going to look into getting one of those. I thought about buying two 22/45s when I got back from Iraq, sequential serial numbers, but I forgot about it when I got my car.

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Yea, that Ruger is actually the type of gun I learned to shoot with. I was looking for one of those at the gun shop, but they didn't have any (eh?).

The closest thing to it was the Buckmark that I bought.

WD-40?
I can see where that would come in handy in an environment like Iraq, but on the range? It's not like I need to protect it from any real environmental hazzards... my gun isn't likely to get dirty from anything other than firing it.

I can see how using WD-40 would be good for cleaning, but I'm not so sure about using that in place of oil.

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I have a lot of guns, and used to shoot a lot. Before I joined the army I used nothing but remmington aerosol weapon scrub, and lubricant. It's not necessarily better, I just got given it for wearing the gun shops t-shirt at meets.

Make sure you're outside over gravel when you spray the scrubber (it kills grass). Use lots of q-tips to get into the corners. Dont take anything apart unless you know how to put it together. I made the mistake of taking my 10/22 apart to change out the sear pin once, couldn't put it together and ended up buy this

http://www.hornetproducts.com/ViewProduct.asp?ModelNumber=TG2000

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not that I didn't want it, but it brough the grand total spent on my 10/22 up to.... a lot (I think around 1k)

Finally it's worth paying to get into a professional range. Public ranges are unsafe, and poorly constructed. For $20 you can get acces to nice benches, real targets, and often the people around you will be much more knowledgable and professional.

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What sort of gun would you gun people use if you were to, say, asassinate a high-ranking public official? Or really to go human hunting in general. This subject interests me. I've been thinking lately about getting a rifle mostly for kicks, a bit for the hunting of lesser animals, and maybe, if someone really gets out of line...

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Quoted from ExtraKryspi:
What sort of gun would you gun people use if you were to, say, asassinate a high-ranking public official? Or really to go human hunting in general. This subject interests me. I've been thinking lately about getting a rifle mostly for kicks, a bit for the hunting of lesser animals, and maybe, if someone really gets out of line...

This...

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WD-40 does work well for guns, it's really only the reeking smell it gives off that makes people not use it.

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That is really fucking badass but I guess I was looking for something a little more subtle.

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What sort of gun would you gun people use if you were to, say, asassinate a high-ranking public official? Or really to go human hunting in general. This subject interests me. I've been thinking lately about getting a rifle mostly for kicks, a bit for the hunting of lesser animals, and maybe, if someone really gets out of line...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M40_%28rifle%29

Marine sniper in Iraq used this to kill a target about 2 miles away, which is like the longest range confermed kill in the history of rifles.

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WD-40 does work well for guns, it's really only the reeking smell it gives off that makes people not use it.

Maybe I'm just weird, but I actually like the smell of WD-40. Then again, I work in a world of gear oil (occasionally burned), RTV, carb cleaners, brake cleaner, diesel and gas fumes/exhaust.

Also, you don't have to douse your gun with gun oil, just a few drops is plenty. Even, say, 4-5 drops of CLP gun oil, was too much for my M249 and I'd walk away from the range exercise with oil all over my shooting glasses. Meanwhile, two quick spritzes of WD-40 on the bolt and it'd fire clean without spraying me with oil byproducts.

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Quoted from ExtraKryspi:
What sort of gun would you gun people use if you were to, say, asassinate a high-ranking public official? Or really to go human hunting in general. This subject interests me. I've been thinking lately about getting a rifle mostly for kicks, a bit for the hunting of lesser animals, and maybe, if someone really gets out of line...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M40_%28rifle%29

Marine sniper in Iraq used this to kill a target about 2 miles away, which is like the longest range confermed kill in the history of rifles.

Is that what they use in Jarhead?

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Maybe I'm just weird, but I actually like the smell of WD-40.

I didn't mean it as a prefrence thing. It's more of a... status thing, I guess. It's stupid really, but if you were to go to a gun show or something with guns smelling like WD-40, it's amateur-ish. I don't really know how to explain it, but like I said, it doesn't really matter either way.

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Is that what they use in Jarhead?

Pretty much, yeah. I think they've been using that M-40(?) since like Veitnam, so over the years, minor changes have been made to it. My dad (who was a Marine) just had one built for him which he said is a replica of one from "his era", his era being Gulf War-ish. It's got a normal stock without a pistol-grip, and has a spring-clip rather than being magazine-fed like the modern ones. I'm not really a gun-expert so don't take my word for all this.

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Yeah, I remember using an M40 in Delta Force games. That shit was tight. I can only imagine what it's like to really shoot. There is only one way to find out. Good call, that gun is rad.

And I'm just going to assume that if you can pop a person at 2 miles with that shit, it's straight for hunting deer and moose and things of that nature? How much do they cost? Can civilians get them?

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Aside from WI, why do you guys need/want a gun?

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Aside from WI, why do you guys need/want a gun?

I saw this american hick woman on tv the other day who said;

"if you don't own a gun, and those bastards find out there isnt anyone protecting your house with a gun, they come in with many guns and steal your shit!"

it was the most laughable thing I've heard all day

but I suppose people have guns because they like them? I mean, I myself am a collector of rare and dangerous diseases, I have a little fridge with vials of ebola, spanish flu and more of that kind of fun stuff kekeke u give soj???

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And I'm just going to assume that if you can pop a person at 2 miles with that shit, it's straight for hunting deer and moose and things of that nature? How much do they cost? Can civilians get them?

Well the whole 2 mile thing was sort of an amazing fluke shot; the gun has an 'effective range' of like 1000 yards or something, so how he pulled 2 miles off is insane.

They are legal for hunting (in Red states, at least), mainly because it's just a bolt-action rifle at heart, it's not considered an assault weapon, so yeah, civilians can get them. They're about $1200 for just the gun, and usually $1000-$2000 for a comparable scope; so you have to shell out a shitload of cash to obtain one.

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Quoted from Sukkit:
Aside from WI, why do you guys need/want a gun?

If you have the money for it, going to the range once and a while to shoot targets is pretty fun.

I dont know a single person that owns a gun, but that seems to be what most people near the cities might own a gun for.

Although the vast majority of gun crimes and gun ownerships in the US are illegal firearms used in the city. My city has it pretty bad with the urban shootouts sometimes, but it's gotten a lot better in the last decade.

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Well, depending on where you live you might want to have a small arsenal handy for self defense.

My view on guns is pretty simple: I'm allowed to carry them and there's absolutely no disadvantage to having one, so why not?

It is possible that my having a gun handy could save someone's life, so there isn't any reason not to have one.
Remember, 95% of situations in which you might need a gun can be resolved just by pulling one out.

I also hate the "guns shouldn't be around kids" crowd. Honestly, if you teach your kids about the guns they're more likley to be injured by "falling (620), drowning (453), medical malpractice (126), or electrocution (45)".

The numbers in parenthesis indicate the reported number of deaths annualy for each event. Gun accidents total amount to only 36. Divide that in, say, half (for kids only) and the odds are very slim that kids are going to hurt themselves with a gun so long as the parent is responsible enough to know what they are doing.
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Besides, like Squareknight said, the range is quite fun.

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How difficult is it to get a concealed carry permit or whatever those are called? Does it vary from state to state?

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Aside from WI, why do you guys need/want a gun?

Actually, since I am getting out of the army in 4 months, I won't be technically needing one. I'm actually looking to sell my personal rifle (Ruger Mini-14 Ranch Rifle) because I simply don't use it. I bought it when I was 15 while living with my grandparents in the middle of the country, having to shoot racoons that ate the sweet corn we grew and the coyotes that would attack our dogs. Now it just sits in my dads' closest, 30 and 40 round mags, 400 rounds, just waiting for a new owner.

If I were to buy another firearm, it would be simply for protection matters, and the occasional range visit. I don't forsee a need for it though, so I'll just keep carrying my 5-1/2" blade knife, at least it actually gets some use.

ExtraKrispi, it varies state to state. Some will let you take a concealed carry class, others will make you wait for a permit. It really depends on the state's beauracratic system and whether or not you have a police record, as misdemeanors are usually weighed pretty heavily when it comes to conceal carry permits.

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[edited]As I could not make the links work]We own 1.Hi-Point .40 cal. pistol, clip holds 9 rounds, 2. A Ruger 9mm, clip holds 14 rounds, and 3. A Stoeger-Coach Gun, this is a 12 gauge, double barrel, sawed off shot gun. This is what I have on hand around the house. Me and my wife and my son all go to the shooting range frequently. I believe it is a good idea to know how to handle weapons if you are going to own them. I personally like the .40 cal myself. It just seems to fit my hand well, it's not too heavy and it's not too light. For me...just right. And I'm a damn good shot with it. Unlike the street gangs who use them and hit innocent bystanders, or put a stray bullet through someones window, I hit what I am shooting at. Every time! That shot gun is sweet too. It's the same thing ya see in westerns on the coach. That's where the term "riding shot gun" came from. I have to agree with WI on the WD40, I don't have much concern for sand so much, but we have cats and dander isn't much good for the weapons. As far as I know, what you use isn't as important as useing something, just keep em clean, and make sure you don't leave any oil in the barrel. My son has gotten his concealed carry lisence. Personally I am not even suppose to own one because I am a felon, but wtf, let em pry it from my cold dead hands. Seriously though, stay safe and be smart. I plan to buy a .44 magnum, and an AK 47, when I can afford to. From my perspective ya can never have too many guns.

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ExtraKrispi, it varies state to state. Some will let you take a concealed carry class, others will make you wait for a permit. It really depends on the state's beauracratic system and whether or not you have a police record, as misdemeanors are usually weighed pretty heavily when it comes to conceal carry permits.

Wow, I would gladly take a class or, I don't know, probably up to four or five, to be able to carry a gun with me at all times, nice and concealed. Another reason to keep my record clean, though I think anything I might get busted for would be expunged in a reasonable amount of time. This seems to be a worthy cause and I think I would do well to pursue it.

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