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In August, I will be moving to Orlando, FL. Having lived in the same house for all 21 (soon to be 22) years of life, I am somewhat concerned about how well I will be able to manage living on my own. I'm responsible enough to have held down two jobs while going to school, paid (and continue to pay) my own bills, and walked away with my bachelors degree debt-free, but I've never paid rent nor lived with someone who wasn't related to me. Woe is I.

Luckily I contacted a future fellow classmate who agreed to be my roommate so I won't be totally alone, but I'm still a bit lost on the whole "moving out" experience.

I would really appreciate some advice regarding:
1. Essential furniture/household items
2. Budgeting (living on student loans :magusi'm a serial-killer :)
3. Living with someone you don't know
4. Saying goodbye to Mom and Dad

Thanks in advance.
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Reply 1 of 39 (Originally posted on: 06-07-06 04:55:06 PM)
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It'll take you a while to get to the point of "Man, did you just get out of the bathroom? It smells like dog shit in there," jokes. But since I lived with TRC first, I was just about as likely to shit on his pillow right off the bat.

What sort of place are you living in? What do you already have and what is provided?

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Reply 2 of 39 (Originally posted on: 06-07-06 05:05:13 PM)
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I'll most likely be leasing whatever affordable 2 bedroom/2 bath I can get my hands on (or bigger -- we can always find an additional roommate). There are unfortunately no dormitories or school housing so it's pretty much up to me/us to find a place to live. I've found a lot of nice places that fit the criteria, but everyone that I've spoken to is looking to rent ASAP, and I see no point paying an extra two months rent if I'm not going to use the place until August.
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Reply 3 of 39 (Originally posted on: 06-07-06 05:15:08 PM)
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1. Furniture, especially in college (or fresh out), must be cheap. Don't go wasting money on a couple thousand dollar set of furniture. Look in the newspaper, preferably in the free section for your wood furniture (nightstands, entertainment center, coffee table, etc). Check Craigslist, as it's a treasure trove of good ads for used furniture.

As far as a mattress and box spring set, just hit one of the cheap furniture stores in the city somewhere. Never buy a used mattress. I don't know that from experience, just from general assumptions. Take what you can down with you (TV, stereo, computer, whatever), but don't go taking a whole U-haul, just cram your car full and mail some packages to yourself (majority of clothes and anything non-essential to the first week or so of living).

2. Budgeting is a bitch, especially on student loans. If you can get a job lined up, obviously all the extra income helps. Split bills with your roommate. If you both have cell phones, there's no point in having a house phone, so don't bother. When you get internet, just get it with your cable and split the bill on that. As far as other utilities, same deal, split them. Either that or you pay water and gas one month while she pays electricity and waste disposal, and switch up every month. Another suggestion is that if you are renting an apartment with a master bedroom with connection to a bathroom, try to balance out the rent so whoever lives in that room pays a slight bit more, as it's a convenience to have that kind of set up.

3. Living with people you don't know is more like spending a week getting to know each other, and then determining how much you'll detest that person for the rest of the time you'll live together. Just spend the first few days trying to get to know each other, as the other person likely won't show their negative aspects until a month or so down the road. You don't need to get all friendly with a roommate, just make sure you get along well enough to withstand a year with them. Chores should be split up. If you vacuum one week, she should mop the kitchen that week, and switch up all the time. It's usually easier to pick a designated cleaning day and just spend about two hours going nuts once a week on the place. Dishes should be done by whoever covers them in filth. Other than all that, you'll get used to your roommate(s) pretty quick, and grow to either like them or despise them.

4. There's really no saying goodbye. You'll probably go home once a month (you're from Florida, right?) or so, and most likely be too busy the first few months to get homesick. Just keep yourself occupied by being young and irresponsible and you'll rarely think of home.


My best suggestion is finding a student housing complex (not a dorm). Usually these places charge anywhere from $350-500 a month, you'll be stuck with 2 or 3 roommates, be able to lock your own bedroom door, electricity is usually provided, as is internet and occasionally basic cable. Basically you only pay rent and everything is covered in that. They're usually good apartments, you sign a lease for your room/bathroom only, meaning that if a roommate gets behind on rent, they get evicted and you don't get caught up paying their share of the bill.

If you go that route, it's a good idea to have a mini-fridge and store some of your food in your own room. You'll likely have a bad roommate out of the ones you'd get stuck with, but it's easy to avoid those people, and when everyone else in the apartment is against that one bad roommate, it's easier to pressure them into doing their share of chores and getting their own groceries.

Best of luck moving out. Just remember, it's the next step in your life and though it's uncomfortable, it's also rather relaxing, knowing that you're on your own and can do as you please, especially if you're the one paying your own bills.
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Reply 4 of 39 (Originally posted on: 06-07-06 05:15:10 PM)
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1. Essential furniture/household items

Coordinate with your future roommate what they have to contribute to the home. You know the things you want to have around to make life more comfortable, so just take a look around and see if there's anyone you know who's got a spare couch lying around in storage (or even find one on a curb). Some people (particularly couples) will have double of appliances like coffee makers, toasters, and the like, so see if you can mooch. Even if they're not willing to give them to you, you can usually get them cheap, particularly if they're friends of yours. Otherwise, places like Goodwill (if you've got that sort of shit down there, there's got to be at least an equivalent) are a great place to get things like utensils and glasses and plates. Also, depending on your relationship with your immediate and extended family, expect housewarming gifts.

2. Budgeting (living on student loans *sigh*)

Now, this may not work for you, but I've always found it rather easy to for the first few months to only spend money on the bare essentials, putting the rest into the bank (or just aside) and thinking of it as not existing to you. Once you've figure out just where you are as far as how much your monthly expenses are next to how much you bring in on a monthly basis, then you can start using that extra money (assuming you don't end up having to live paycheck to paycheck) to have fun and improve your surroundings with little extras to make things easier and more comfortable.

3. Living with someone you don't know

Double-edged sword. On the up-side, you don't have a pre-existing relationship to complicate the whole roommate relationship (and living with someone is more different from being their friend than you might expect). Conversely, this person could have some living habits that you cannot abide. This sort of thing you just have to roll with.

4. Saying goodbye to Mom and Dad

Personally, I was in the "fuck Mom and Dad" boat. Not that I don't love my parents, but I had absolutely no problem severing myself from any sort of dependance on them. My mother, I can't quite say the same for. You can probably expect some empty-nest syndrome, which will be irritating, but again, something you just have to go with.


Congratulations and good luck!
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Reply 5 of 39 (Originally posted on: 06-07-06 05:17:45 PM)
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Having just looked for apartments and signed a lease, I'm surprised you can't find one who offer a lease that begins at a time coinciding with the beginning of the fall semester of the nearby university. Everywhere that is very close to a major university that I have looked at does this.

Anyway, I'll sorta being doing this, too, come August, so you aren't alone. I'm moving into a 3 bed/3 bath apartment in Gainesville with a friend and another guy who I don't actually know.
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Reply 6 of 39 (Originally posted on: 06-07-06 05:23:57 PM)
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WTF! I thought I was moving in and not having to pay rent or clean up or anything! This is bullshit, bitch.
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Reply 7 of 39 (Originally posted on: 06-07-06 05:28:54 PM)
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Just did some random looking, check out University House at College Station, if that's anywhere near the school you'll be attending. From one of the sites I'm reading, it's around $500 a month, but you get your own room and bathroom with full utilities. Those kind of apartments really are the best suggestion for moving out on your own. Fewer bills to hassle with and plenty of roommates and craziness going on to keep yourself entertained.
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Reply 8 of 39 (Originally posted on: 06-07-06 05:31:09 PM)
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Thanks for the good advice, guys. I really appreciate it.

And good luck to everyone else who will be doing the same (ie: emtilt, Surt, kayte, Skye to name a few).

Unfortunately, student housing isn't an option for me. UCF, the major university in Orlando (where you would find the special student rates/lease periods), is way the heck on the other side of town (about a 30-45 min drive) while I'll be staying nearby a lesser known UF campus on the west side.

Smokey, you can crash on the couch in exchange for naked yardwork.
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Reply 9 of 39 (Originally posted on: 06-07-06 06:10:09 PM)
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A bed, a desk and a chair is all you'll need as far as furniture goes. Everything else is an optional luxury.
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4. Saying goodbye to Mom and Dad

Probably the best thing to do is not make a huge deal out of it and arrange some sort of visiting schedule (as in, you agree to come to dinner every second Sunday or something and call every week). If you're like me and pine every time you're away from your parents for more than a week, it'll be tough. Wandering Idiot is right, though, just keep yourself busy
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Reply 10 of 39 (Originally posted on: 06-07-06 07:34:36 PM)
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About internet: Don't buy it until you've moved in and established no one in the surrounding area has a wireless network.

On food I would suggest going in half with your roomie and getting a card for one of those large warehouse places (such as Bj's or Sam's, Costco) and stocking up once every month or so. It saves loads of money even though you do have to pay around 40 for the membership.

It might also help on the power bill if you buy compact florescent bulbs. Amanda and I can have every light on in the apartment and it equals like 3 regular bulbs. Our power bill last month? 30 bucks.
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Reply 11 of 39 (Originally posted on: 06-07-06 07:37:31 PM)
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Your life begins when you move out of home/college. Enjoy it.
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Reply 12 of 39 (Originally posted on: 06-07-06 07:43:04 PM)
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It's a hell of a lot better than living with someone you do know. Well, can be. Basically, take advantage of the fact that the slates are clean. Lay down the law as necessary, but the main thing is to be accomodating/understanding (within reason, of course). After a couple of weeks you'll get used to the other person's presence.
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Reply 13 of 39 (Originally posted on: 06-07-06 08:20:40 PM)
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Your life begins when you move out of home/college. Enjoy it.

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1. Essential furniture/household items
Bed, chair. Definitely don't scrimp on cleaning supplies-if you're ANYTHING like me (and I know you are LOL IM SUCH A FAG!!) you're going to be cleaning. Shower curtains, sponges, Windex, dish soap, rags. Window curtains, if the place has windows and doesn't come with shades built in. And plants! They make you happy if you don't kill them!

The other three I don't want to think about. And please don't let Smokey mow the lawn naked, it's too dangerous.
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Reply 14 of 39 (Originally posted on: 06-07-06 08:22:41 PM)
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Strictly put, you aren't going to be able to watch porn, so borrow money for hookers.

Use your car, since the roomate's bed will probably be taken ( Don't use your bed lololol)
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Reply 15 of 39 (Originally posted on: 06-07-06 08:45:17 PM)
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1. Essential furniture/household items
- desk and bookshelves...you will need somewhere to put your books and do work
- pictures of family and friends (it can get lonely)
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2. Budgeting (living on student loans )
- living on student loans is crappy, but it can be done, I'm proof!
- set a schedule for yourself... and limit yourself to groceries every 2-3 weeks to take away the urge to go to the grocery store when you really don't need to
- buy your own groceries because you don't want to pay for something that you won't eat
- no name groceries

3. Living with someone you don't know
- set a cleaning schedule for each week
- be open and honest... set ground rules before you get there
- be mindful of time and space

4. Saying goodbye to Mom and Dad
- try to have an emergency fund so that you could go home for a weekend if you were missing them
- get a long distance plan that covers unlimited calling anytime
*I know people say that this is the best part cause they have the 'fuck mom and dad' mentality, but when I left home at the age of 22, I wasn't ready to be THAT far away. I don't want to live with them, but I like to live near them. It sucks spending Thanksgiving and birthdays without your family....hence the emerg fund where i went home once a semester to keep my sanity!

My best advice: Be social and have fun!!!

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Reply 16 of 39 (Originally posted on: 06-07-06 09:26:42 PM)
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1. Essential furniture/household items
-Couches are great because they double as extra beds.
-Stackable units are great and usually inexpensive. The only ones I can think of right now are the plastic ones from places like Target, but I'm sure there are others.
-Good used furniture is always a money saver.
-Cleaning Supplies. A mop, broom, dustpan, lots of bleach, some sort of dishwashing solution, and dusting supplies. And lysol, because it both disinfects AND dissolves roaches. big grin

2. Budgeting (living on student loans)
-Only buy your groceries once a month of once every two weeks, and buy in bulk where applicable. (So long as you know you'll eat it before it spoils or goes stale or any of that.) Before you buy for the first time, make a list of groceries you absolutely have to have and price them at local stores.
-Make sure you have some sort of fund for emergencies.


3. Living with someone you don't know
-Make a roommate contract that details issues like visitors (particularly overnight guests, including family), cleaning, splitting of household bills, and anything else you can think of. Have each roomie sign and date it, then make copies for each person as well as a copy to keep on the fridge or something. That way you have an idea of what sort of behaviour to expect from one another.
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Reply 17 of 39 (Originally posted on: 06-07-06 10:10:24 PM)
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I've moved 5 6 times in 3 years and been living on my own for 2003, you'd think I'd have some insight on this by now... hrm.

Idiot's Guide to Budgeting
1. rent
2. groceries
3. other bills
4. everything else

It's hard to say what you'll need for furniture - you're getting a 2 bedroom that also has at least one living area right? You and your roommate will want beds, a couch and chairs, desks, tables.

Origins of My Furniture
1. home/family handdowns (bed, TV)
2. walmart/sears (desk, bookcases, futon)
3. other students getting rid of their furniture (table, chair, coffee tables, shelves, yadda)

That last one has saved me hundreds of dollars. It may be a bit late for you now because around Acadia leases all end the same month as the school year so students are in a mad scramble to dump their shit for cheap before scattering back all over the country. It is kind of like a sustained yard sale.

For me, I have pretty much everything I own in my apartment - I don't think there's much of anything left at my parents' homes. You'll be close enough that you don't have to take everything at once, you can also visit home to pick up things you are missing, but look around your room and figure out what things you use the most frequently. Moving also presents a good opportunity to purge - I threw out like 3 garbage bags full of *stuff* and 10 bags of clothing in the few months leading up to my most recent move. If there's stuff you're not using, why keep it around to take up space?

Aaron is totally right about the lightbulbs; they are a little more expensive but brighter, have longer lives, and use less energy kekeke u give soj???

I'm tired and can't think of anything else to write on this topic at the moment. More later i'm a serial-killer :)
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Reply 18 of 39 (Originally posted on: 06-07-06 10:16:14 PM)
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The only valid grounds for a contract there are the bills. Your roommate will think you're a little bitch. Then again, my experience is boarding school, and I suspect that's a bit different from your situation. There should be a generally respected informal verbal contract, if you must use that terminology, but seriously, no flamboyantly cheerful lists of chorse on the refrigerator or anything like that.
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Reply 19 of 39 (Originally posted on: 06-07-06 10:19:30 PM)
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That reminds me, you'd better make double extra sure that you and your roommate are on the same page regarding bill payment, lest they suddenly try to back out of paying them and accuse you of cheating them...
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Reply 20 of 39 (Originally posted on: 06-07-06 10:47:05 PM)
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Quoted from Zippo:

Smokey, you can crash on the couch in exchange for naked yardwork.


How bout I just sleep on the couch and you feed me?

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Reply 21 of 39 (Originally posted on: 06-07-06 11:03:23 PM)
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It might make you seem like a bitch or whatever, but you need to make a written agreement with your roommate(s). It needs to detail exactly how rent is split up (Otherwise, you are jointly and severeably liable- if your roommate bolts, you'll have to pay all of the rent, and it makes your court case a lot stronger if you have a piece of paper aside from the lease), chore division, bill division, How you're going to handle company, etc. It really is important- doing the whole roommate thing is very, very much entering a buisness arrangement with the roommates (Even if they're friends. Almost especially if they're friends.) If shit is in writing, there can be no misunderstandings or miscommunications about the expectations.


As far as furniture goes: "Bed, desk, chair" is an exaggeration, I think. You need to be able to have at least some semblance of comfort in your apartment. However- don't buy anything new (aside from a bed, because used beds are bad mmk?); you're going to end up getting rid of your first set of furniture eventually anyway.

I would be careful about relying on other people's wireless networks. Doing that can be fickle- the person you're leeching from might catch on right before a major project is due, or some other similiar kind of interruption. If you're living with other people, internet really isn't that expensive, and its basically a required part of the college experience.

However- um, cable? Why? Absolute waste of money. Just because "Oh, I can get internet + TV for only $40 extra a month!" doesn't mean that it isn't still a waste of money. You should have more than enough to keep you occupied- I haven't missed cable. Keep in mind, its not like you're entirelly without TV, you can always use a *gasp* antennae.

As for the "away from home" thing- you'll get over it. Your parents will probably have a harder time with it than you will.
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Reply 22 of 39 (Originally posted on: 06-07-06 11:24:40 PM)
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It might make you seem like a bitch or whatever...Yadda yadda yadda...
Listen to this man. This combined with mine and Smokey's posts is all you'll need.
An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools.
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Reply 23 of 39 (Originally posted on: 06-08-06 01:20:02 PM)
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Aww, all you folks growing up around me...

Unfortunately I've never been forced out of home because everything is too damn close.
"Hwt, he on a tid e he inne bi, ne bi hrinen mid y storme s wintres; ac t bi an eagan bryhtm and t lste fc, ac he sona of wintre on one winter eft cyme hwt r foregange, oe hwt r fylige, we ne cunnen."
"Lo, he, in the time that he is inside, is not touched by the storm of the winter, but that is an eye's winking and the least time, but he straightway comes back from winter into winter, what thereto may precede or what to it may follow, we do not know."
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Reply 24 of 39 (Originally posted on: 06-08-06 05:11:49 PM)
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I've found that a good way to divide up payment for groceries, etc is to designate a drawer that is for receipts. So now, when you go grocery shopping and you buy

coffee beans
toothpaste
shampoo
milk
cereal

then you would highlight the ones that you will share with your roommates

coffee beans
toothpaste
shampoo
milk
cereal


and write your name on it put it in the drawer. Then, every month or so, you guys get together and add up how much you each spent on collective goods, and then work out the debt. It works best if you're exact, even if it's only a dollar, because then you won't be tempted to bring that up the next time.


Also, about furniture, if you go to a thrift store to buy used furniture and you see furniture that came from Ikea, it's probably the same price or cheaper new at Ikea. This obviously isn't true all the time, but it's something I've noticed. Craigslist is always the cheapest way to go.
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