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(Originally posted on: 07-07-02 04:58:41 PM)
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Who the fuck are the government to tell me what I can't put inside MY own body?

It's my fucking body, I can do whatever I want with it.

I was charged with possession of alcohol by a minor on Friday night. I'm pleading guilty with an explaination to get my fine reduced from the ridiculous $130 fine I got.

Had they found my pipe, which I managed to ditch before they had a chance to search me, I could have been fined up to $1000 (there was resin in the pipe.)

For fucks sake, I'm old enough to go to prison for life if I kill someone, but not old enough to consume alcohol?

Fuck. It's time for a revolution to overthrow these stone age governments which interfere in every aspect of our lives.

It's my body - I can put whatever the fuck I want in it and if you don't like it you can go fuck a cork screw.
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Reply 1 of 46 (Originally posted on: 07-07-02 05:00:33 PM)
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They don't give a flying fuck what you do to YOURSELF, it's what you could do to others with that in you. Drinking and driving comes to mind. As does inebriated rape, assault, murder etc etc etc.


We were almost caught when we went camping. Fortunately they believed us when we said we were all 19...To which I give a hardy and full HAH!!
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Reply 2 of 46 (Originally posted on: 07-07-02 05:02:25 PM)
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None of us were driving. We're not complete morons.
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Reply 3 of 46 (Originally posted on: 07-07-02 05:02:44 PM)
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how old are you, fully?
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Reply 4 of 46 (Originally posted on: 07-07-02 05:03:54 PM)
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They don't know you WON'T though Fully. As much as you want to be angry, you have to let some logic into the matter.
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Reply 5 of 46 (Originally posted on: 07-07-02 05:05:42 PM)
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i agree, as will most people underaged. but the government and adults in general dont think we are mature enough or responsible enough for things like that. sure, we can go to war, or prison for the rest of our lifes...because if we killed someone we are fully mature enough to get punnished fully. Its like with my parents. im still a kid as long as it suits them for bossing me around, but as soon as i do something wrong im a mature adult and they instantly start talking about kicking me out.
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Reply 6 of 46 (Originally posted on: 07-07-02 05:09:04 PM)
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I'm 17. Legal drinking age in my province is 19.

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They don't know you WON'T though Fully. As much as you want to be angry, you have to let some logic into the matter.


Nor would they know anyone over the age of 19 will be driving either. Why is it more of a problem for teenagers to have alcohol than it is for someone who's 19? If anything it's a greater danger, as most people at 19 have a license. Not a very high percentage of 17 year olds do.
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Reply 7 of 46 (Originally posted on: 07-07-02 05:13:44 PM)
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Well see there's where the old problem of Age Vs. Maturity flies in and fucks everyone up. The powers that be 'assume' (often wrongly) that by the time your 19 your mature enough to handle alcohol. What they don't seem to understand is that at 19, just graduating from high-school, no one is fucking mature about handling ANYTHING. Let alone the ability to drink, drive, gamble etc.
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Reply 8 of 46 (Originally posted on: 07-07-02 05:27:50 PM)
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your province is more fascist than sweden

i'm 18 and i can both drink and drive (but not at the same time)
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Reply 9 of 46 (Originally posted on: 07-07-02 05:28:30 PM)
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However our Province also has better liquer than Sweden.
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Reply 10 of 46 (Originally posted on: 07-07-02 05:32:01 PM)
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yeah, but sweden is a socialist dictatorship

you can only buy strong alcohol at bars or at state-controlled stores
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Reply 11 of 46 (Originally posted on: 07-07-02 05:33:46 PM)
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You spelled liquor wrong.
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Reply 12 of 46 (Originally posted on: 07-07-02 05:35:50 PM)
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No, because I didn't mean Lic-er. I meant Li-cure.

Yah...uhh that's it.
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Reply 13 of 46 (Originally posted on: 07-07-02 05:39:27 PM)
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it's what you could do to others with that in you.

Bah, they shouldn't be able to arrest you for something that you haven't done. Besides, the probability of him killing someone while drinking is most likely very low.
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Reply 14 of 46 (Originally posted on: 07-07-02 05:42:46 PM)
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not if you're driving.
You gave up on me along time ago
I can't say I blame you
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Reply 15 of 46 (Originally posted on: 07-07-02 05:43:06 PM)
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Ever heard of attempted murder? Should those people be let off to?
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Reply 16 of 46 (Originally posted on: 07-07-02 05:50:29 PM)
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not if you're driving.

But he didn't say he was driving. I do think drinking and driving is a punishable offence whether or not anyone is hurt because you ARE putting lots of people in danger in that situation.

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Ever heard of attempted murder? Should those people be let off to?

That's different. They have evidence that you were actually trying to harm someone.

Just because you're drinking doesn't mean it's going to affect anyone else. You could be sitting at home in the floor of your room drinking your ass off. To say that all drinkers are out to do bad is not true.
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Reply 17 of 46 (Originally posted on: 07-07-02 05:51:51 PM)
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You could be sitting at home in the floor of your room drinking your ass off. To say that all drinkers are out to do bad is not true.


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Reply 18 of 46 (Originally posted on: 07-07-02 05:53:55 PM)
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That's different. They have evidence that you were actually trying to harm someone.


So? If I run around with a shotgun in my hand down main street is that ok? Because it can be the same damned thing.
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Reply 19 of 46 (Originally posted on: 07-07-02 05:57:29 PM)
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the risk that you're gonna drink and drive doesnt have anything to do with age...and if it does, its bigger if you're older
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Reply 20 of 46 (Originally posted on: 07-07-02 06:03:31 PM)
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So? If I run around with a shotgun in my hand down main street is that ok? Because it can be the same damned thing.

The difference is that a gun is a deadly weapon. Alcohol is alcohol, that's all. The alcohol itself isn't harming anyone (other than maybe yourself). You need something else to cause harm. To imply that everyone drinking beer is going to find something else to use to harm people is wrong.
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Reply 21 of 46 (Originally posted on: 07-07-02 06:09:13 PM)
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The difference is that a gun is a deadly weapon. Alcohol is alcohol, that's all. The alcohol itself isn't harming anyone (other than maybe yourself). You need something else to cause harm. To imply that everyone drinking beer is going to find something else to use to harm people is wrong.


And theirein lies the trap Mr. Tit, and the sole reason gun law battles have lasted so long. Which is the more deadly weapon, a gun, or the man who fires it? The song, or the kid who takes it wrong and kills his schoolmates? The movie, or the children killing each other trying to imitate what they see? The alcohol, or the boy who rapes a girl because he isn't in control of his emotions?

The most deadly weapon on earth is the human mind. And if we can do all that we have when sober, imagine what we can do when we AREN'T in total control.
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Reply 22 of 46 (Originally posted on: 07-07-02 06:11:49 PM)
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I know a guy who got a $130 fine for just being drunk. A girl he was with also got charged, but cried her way out of it.
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Reply 23 of 46 (Originally posted on: 07-07-02 06:27:27 PM)
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And theirein lies the trap Mr. Tit, and the sole reason gun law battles have lasted so long. Which is the more deadly weapon, a gun, or the man who fires it? The song, or the kid who takes it wrong and kills his schoolmates? The movie, or the children killing each other trying to imitate what they see? The alcohol, or the boy who rapes a girl because he isn't in control of his emotions?

How does that discredit my viewpoint at all? All that guns are used for is to kill things. They are different type of item. The danger of the gun is far more extreme than that of the other three things you mentioned.

Music doesn't always cause you to kill people. Movies don't always cause you to kill people. Alcohol doesn't always cause you to rape girls.

In all of those situations, it is the person's fault, not the fault of the movie, etc. If they aren't smart enough or mature enough to understand what they are listening to, watching, or putting in their bodies, it's their fault.

The majority of the population should not be punished because of some fucking retard who can't drink his alcohol properly, or because of some idiot who kills people after listening to music.

Are you suggesting we not allow kids to listen to music or watch movies because some kids MAY have been influenced to kill people because of music/movies?
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Reply 24 of 46 (Originally posted on: 07-07-02 06:43:05 PM)
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How does that discredit my viewpoint at all? All that guns are used for is to kill things. They are different type of item. The danger of the gun is far more extreme than that of the other three things you mentioned.


Commerical guns are used for entertainment. As are the other 3 things I mentioned.

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Music doesn't always cause you to kill people. Movies don't always cause you to kill people. Alcohol doesn't always cause you to rape girls.


And a gun someone uses for the shooting range doesn't always cause someone to shoot another person, but it CAN.

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In all of those situations, it is the person's fault, not the fault of the movie, etc. If they aren't smart enough or mature enough to understand what they are listening to, watching, or putting in their bodies, it's their fault.


And if they're drinking they could potentially cause things that are their fault. The police wish to prevent this.

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The majority of the population should not be punished because of some fucking retard who can't drink his alcohol properly, or because of some idiot who kills people after listening to music.


No, we shouldn't, your right. But we will be, in all things, until the jackasses learn to stop abusing them, which they won't.

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Are you suggesting we not allow kids to listen to music or watch movies because some kids MAY have been influenced to kill people because of music/movies?


No, I'm saying that the person can always do something dumb or dangerous, and that the police can only try to prevent that from happening whatever way they can. Same thing with parents, if they think their child might be influenced by something, then don't let them watch or listen to that thing.
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