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(Originally posted on: 08-03-12 01:59:42 PM)
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Since we're talking politics, why not talk about the election.

Personally I passionately hate the idea of voting based on the 'lesser of two evils' principle. I've yet to hear an argument from anyone supporting that method of voting who had any point based in anything other than fear and pessimism.

Most reasonable people tend to agree that the two party system is bad, and they would be the first two vote for a third party if there were any chance that they could win. Their big "BUT" statement is, there is no way they could ever win because we all know personally how many stubborn people are out there who just vote with their party line no matter what. While that is true, they somehow miss the irony of their stance. I recently got into a discussion about this with someone who kept saying something to the effect of "I pray the younger generation will see the chains of the two-party system and make an effort to stop it, but for now we're locked into it and i'm not going to throw my vote away to try and make a point." I hope the hypocrisy in that statement is as obvious to everyone as it is to me... He recognizes the problem, he sees the possibility and necessity for change - and yet passes it down to the next generation instead of doing anything about it. If people started taking that responsibility for themselves, I think they would find those stubborn old farts who vote down party lines aren't as numerous or as stubborn as we think. I think there is a huge amount of people who are all sitting on their hands because they're all too chickenshit to do anything but strengthen the institutions that they are hoping their children will be able to fight. The problem has gotten progressively worse thanks to the defeatists, and will continue to do so if we continue this lazy pessimism.

Anyway i'll end my rant here because i've been distracted by a visitor. That said, everyone go to www.isidewith.com and see who you side most with politically. Personally it's not a great quiz in my opinion because most of the issues seem to be predictable and not always that important ones, but that's probably because that's all the big candidates ever talk about.

Here's what I got.

Jill Stein
on domestic policy, science, healthcare, immigration, social, and foreign policy issues.
81%
Gary Johnson
on domestic policy, environmental, social, immigration, and economic issues.
75%
Barack Obama
on environmental, social, immigration, and foreign policy issues.
63%
Ron Paul
on domestic policy, environmental, economic, and foreign policy issues.
55%
Stewart Alexander
on healthcare, social, and immigration issues.
46%
Mitt Romney
on environmental issues.
33%
Jimmy McMillan
on domestic policy and social issues.
15%
Virgil Goode
on domestic policy issues.


edit: An interesting point I wanted to bring up is for those democrats who say it's not worth taking away a vote from the democratic party for some symbolic gesture. It's a point i've stolen from someone else - Dan Carlin, to be specific - but an interesting one that I wouldn't mind hearing you guys chime in about. Basically he says that Democrats are more dangerous for human rights/civil liberties than Republicans, and the reason is because while they both do shady things, the people who would ordinarily protest and cause a big stink keep their mouths shut when it's their own guy. Basically the point is - if George Bush does something bad, every liberal leaning person in the country is up in arms saying how bad it is. If Obama does the same thing, the reaction is much quieter and sounds a lot quieter and apologetic of it, many people making excuses ("he's doing the best he can while still making necessary appeasements to the republican opposition"). He (Carlin) cites several examples of this effect going back to Carter I believe. I can dig up his version of this argument if anyone is interested in hearing more than just my crappily relayed version.
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Reply 1 of 28 (Originally posted on: 08-03-12 04:20:01 PM)
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I'm having trouble copy pasting off the site but I got:

86% green party
66% Democratic
37% lolbertarian
8% Republican (lol)

My top candidates were Jill Stein and Stewart Alexander but I disagree with Alexander on some pretty key international issues. I've actually never heard of Stewart Alexander until I took this quiz so there you go.

e: just looked him up. He's the socialist candidate. WELP! House Committee on Un-American Activities here I come!
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Reply 2 of 28 (Originally posted on: 08-04-12 06:56:26 AM)
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I did this a few days ago and got Jill Stein and Gary Johnson as my top two.
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Reply 3 of 28 (Originally posted on: 08-04-12 01:18:03 PM)
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85% Green
82% Democratic
62% Libertarian
7% Republican

I out-hippied both of you!

To be fair though, I don't follow politics and even less so when it's not my own country, so things like expanding off-shore drilling are easy for me to vote on since it affects me more directly. Gay marriage and abortion (even illegal immigrant rights and healthcare) don't really affect me as much personally as Amercian foreign policies would.

Also, did anybody else notice that the "show more options" thing always had the most reasonable and logical answers?
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Reply 4 of 28 (Originally posted on: 08-04-12 05:28:08 PM)
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78% Libertarian
76% Green
70% Democrat
63% Republican
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Reply 5 of 28 (Originally posted on: 08-04-12 08:37:11 PM)
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Also, did anybody else notice that the "show more options" thing always had the most reasonable and logical answers?


Yeah, it's like they left the nuance to the people who wanted to go through an extra click.
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Reply 6 of 28 (Originally posted on: 08-05-12 07:10:14 AM)
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I'm starting to wonder if this site was secretly made by Jill Stein's people... that's who I got as well for my number one choice.

I like a lot of what the Green party stands for, but really don't see them making it.

http://www.isidewith.com/results/42472862
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Reply 7 of 28 (Originally posted on: 08-05-12 09:56:16 AM)
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Quoted from goatsnacks:
I'm starting to wonder if this site was secretly made by Jill Stein's people... that's who I got as well for my number one choice.

I like a lot of what the Green party stands for, but really don't see them making it.

http://www.isidewith.com/results/42472862


If anything this site was specifically designed to help third parties gain more exposure for their platforms and I'm pretty sure that INTL is small and close knit enough that we probably share of lot of our political leanings.
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Reply 8 of 28 (Originally posted on: 08-05-12 10:33:43 AM)
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Yeah, true, I had no idea who Jill Stein was until I answered the questions on that site.

It seems almost criminal for all of the news outlets to completely ignore candidates if they aren't democrats or republics. Although I can see why liberals or democrats would shy away because these third and fourth parties could easily take votes from them. It just makes politics seem a little pointless when everything has to be boiled down.
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Reply 9 of 28 (Originally posted on: 08-05-12 10:44:49 AM)
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Jill Stein
on science, environmental, immigration, foreign policy, healthcare, and economic issues.
72%
Barack Obama
on science, immigration, and foreign policy issues.
55%
Ron Paul
on domestic policy, healthcare, and foreign policy issues.
41%
Mitt Romney
on social issues.

I was a bit unsure of some of the more America-centric ones and I don't know who Jill Stein is.
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Reply 10 of 28 (Originally posted on: 08-05-12 10:51:51 AM)
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Ron Paul 85%
Gary Johnson 82%
Mitt Romney 71%
Barack Obama 68%
Jill Stein 61%

That's about what I expected
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Reply 11 of 28 (Originally posted on: 08-05-12 02:15:15 PM)
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88% Ron Paul

87% Mitt Romney

85% Gary Johnson

80% Virgil Goode

72% Jimmy McMillan

56% Barack Obama

23% Jill Stein

7% Stewart Alexander

I don't know even half of these candidates, and out of the top three, I wouldn't vote for either even if my political opinions do coincide (according to the web site) with theirs.

Ron Paul is a perennial candidate who won't win because he's a political nerd, Mitt Romney is a crooked businessman who'd probably use the presidency to fix up his buddies back at Bain Capital and his clique of friends in the private equity sector, and Barack Hussein Obama is a clown who couldn't be trusted to run a lemonade stand. If I had a choice in picking who would probably be the best person to run the country, it'd be this guy
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Reply 12 of 28 (Originally posted on: 08-05-12 07:43:37 PM)
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93% green, 81% democrat, 61% libertarian, 23% republican.

Meh.
Too lazy to reply properly.
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Reply 13 of 28 (Originally posted on: 08-06-12 04:53:35 AM)
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LOL

Candidates you side with...
90%
Stewart Alexander
on economic, foreign policy, immigration, domestic policy, environmental, healthcare, and social issues.
77%
Jill Stein
on immigration, environmental, domestic policy, science, social, and healthcare issues.
69%
Barack Obama
on environmental, social, and science issues.
39%
Ron Paul
on foreign policy and domestic policy issues.
1%
Mitt Romney
no major issues.

Who you side with by party...
90%
Socialist
77%
Green
69%
Democratic
1%
Republican
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Reply 14 of 28 (Originally posted on: 08-06-12 05:45:45 AM)
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I got 13% Republican. This shit is whack.
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Reply 15 of 28 (Originally posted on: 08-06-12 08:09:53 AM)
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Quoted from loudpack masterchef:
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Candidates you side with...
90%
Stewart Alexander
on economic, foreign policy, immigration, domestic policy, environmental, healthcare, and social issues.
77%
Jill Stein
on immigration, environmental, domestic policy, science, social, and healthcare issues.
69%
Barack Obama
on environmental, social, and science issues.
39%
Ron Paul
on foreign policy and domestic policy issues.
1%
Mitt Romney
no major issues.

Who you side with by party...
90%
Socialist
77%
Green
69%
Democratic
1%
Republican


This is what you get for moving to europe. Even if it is the least socialist country there.
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Reply 16 of 28 (Originally posted on: 08-16-12 09:37:11 AM)
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Jill Stein is a boss.

Edit: If only our debate system was fixed to include candidates that are on the ballot in 3/5 of the states instead of just having 15% of the popular vote which is the requirement now. Also, the question they use to determine that is something akin to: if Barack Obama was the Democratic Party candidate and Mitt Romney was the Republican Party candidate who would you vote for? Which doesn't even allow an option of another party.
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Reply 17 of 28 (Originally posted on: 08-17-12 03:37:39 AM)
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Well what's worst is that no news outlets cover the other candidates. I imagine there are people that don't even realize there are other parties running. (I'll admit I didn't know who Jill Stein was, but hey, I don't vote.)
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Reply 18 of 28 (Originally posted on: 08-17-12 04:20:42 AM)
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Quoted from DrNick:
Quoted from goatsnacks:
I'm starting to wonder if this site was secretly made by Jill Stein's people... that's who I got as well for my number one choice.

I like a lot of what the Green party stands for, but really don't see them making it.

http://www.isidewith.com/results/42472862


If anything this site was specifically designed to help third parties gain more exposure for their platforms and I'm pretty sure that INTL is small and close knit enough that we probably share of lot of our political leanings.


Really, you don't say?

It's almost as if this little forum drove away pretty much everyone who didn't fit the mold of the 20-something, liberal, middle class (sub)urbanite. I'm the last gadfly left!
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Reply 19 of 28 (Originally posted on: 08-17-12 05:36:50 AM)
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Sorry we chased away all your old pals there. This forum was a much better place when it was full of people like you who only post when they've found a way to turn any conversation into a complaint about someone being too liberal.
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Reply 20 of 28 (Originally posted on: 08-17-12 07:17:05 AM)
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They should make some more interesting versions of isidewith. Like one with all dictators.
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Reply 21 of 28 (Originally posted on: 08-17-12 08:27:09 AM)
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77% Barack Obama
on foreign policy, economic, and science issues

77% Jill Stein
on foreign policy, science, immigration, and healthcare issues

76% Gary Johnson
on domestic policy, environmental, healthcare, and immigration issues

74% Ron Paul
on foreign policy, domestic policy, environmental, healthcare, and social issues

52% Mitt Romney
on domestic policy issues

This changes nothing, so okay.
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Reply 22 of 28 (Originally posted on: 08-17-12 10:49:56 AM)
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Most of you are suburbanites at your roots?
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Reply 23 of 28 (Originally posted on: 08-18-12 07:09:30 AM)
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Don't consider myself a "suburbanite" as I didn't grow up in suburb. Grew up in the city, so I guess I'm one of those big city liberals?
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Quoted from It Wasn't Me:
Sorry we chased away all your old pals there. This forum was a much better place when it was full of people like you who only post when they've found a way to turn any conversation into a complaint about someone being too liberal.


Do you really think I relish the chance to meet people who think along the same parallels that I do on online forums? Meeting people with divergent opinions is probably one of the greatest uses of the Internet. This forum used to have a lot of these "opinions", but now it seemingly only has one.
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