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(Originally posted on: 03-10-11 02:38:03 PM)
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Allo there. I know INTL is kinda in a downspell and that's the only reason why I'm making such a blatant "pop culture" thread. But here goes:

I propose that Charlie Sheen is not, in fact, "crazy".


In recent years, the well established and well respected actor Joaquin Phoenix performed a rather unheard of feat...that being viral marketing in the form of "living" a character in public. He performed live Raps in front of large crowds which ultimately ended in physical confrontation. He went on David Letterman playing a part as a total space-cadet. All this was done to promote the movie "I'm still here", an unsuccessful mockumentary. The movie flopped, but marked the directorial debut of an arguable A-Lister in Casey Affleck and an acting performance by a bonafide A-Lister in Phoenix. The viral promoting that Joaquin Phoenix did is perhaps viewed now as a failure, given the movie's ultimate box-office flop. However, I do propose that the stunt did not go unnoticed by other Hollywood actors.


Charlie Sheen was once noted as an up-and-coming dramatic presence. His father has been highly celebrated for his dramatic accomplishments, and Carlos Estevez also did some notable dramatic work earlier in his career with Platoon, Wall Street, and Young Guns. However, his career somehow turned to being a leading man cast in comedic movies. Some of these movies were actually good, such as Major League. Others were not. Sheen ultimately became a television actor, where he pretty much solely played a caricature of himself. On television, he tried to fill Michael J Fox's shoes on the show Spin City, where he played a character named Charlie that was a booze-hound socialite womanizer with money. When that show went under, he played Charlie on Two and a Half men, who was a womanizing booze-hound with money. His movie roles followed suit, such as his performance in Being John Malkovich, where he played a womanizing socialite. Ultimately, Sheen has become an actor that is only capable of playing a caricature of himself.


I propose that the whole current media fiasco involving the excessive partying and the "tiger blood" interview is Charlie Sheen attempting to recreate himself as a dramatic actor, using the viral technique that Joaquin Phoenix pioneered with "I'm Still Here". I propose that sooner or later we will see a similar mockumentary-style movie done starring Charlie Sheen as "Charlie Sheen".


Maybe I'm crazy.
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Reply 1 of 18 (Originally posted on: 03-10-11 03:21:48 PM)
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I'm pretty sure he's just nuts and manic. Also, you can't fake looking that wrecked by cocaine without serious work. My theory is he will be dead or no one will give a shit about this fiasco in a years time. Or both.
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Reply 2 of 18 (Originally posted on: 03-10-11 03:52:22 PM)
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A lot of my friends share the same theory, Tart.

In a world where B-listers will produce a sex-tape just for a little spotlight action, it's hard to believe that publicity like this isn't done at least somewhat on purpose.

If not, look at Johnny Depp and Robert Downey Jr., both huuuge ex-druggies who used that to slingshot them into real stardom almost instantly with like one good role (Jack Sparrow, Tony Stark).

EDIT: This reminds me of the Lil' Kim vs. Nikki Minaj thing (conveniently coinciding with Nikki's first album drop, and Kim's first album in 6 years), or that Sacha Baron Cohen/Eminem thing at the Oscars a couple years ago (while BRUNO hit theaters and Em's new album was announced).
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Reply 3 of 18 (Originally posted on: 03-10-11 03:56:23 PM)
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Is there anything more to this scandal than him saying retarded shit while on drugs?
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Reply 4 of 18 (Originally posted on: 03-10-11 05:44:09 PM)
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There was something about a hooker-coke party, or something.

Quoted from ba:
A lot of my friends share the same theory, Tart.

In a world where B-listers will produce a sex-tape just for a little spotlight action, it's hard to believe that publicity like this isn't done at least somewhat on purpose.

If not, look at Johnny Depp and Robert Downey Jr., both huuuge ex-druggies who used that to slingshot them into real stardom almost instantly with like one good role (Jack Sparrow, Tony Stark).

EDIT: This reminds me of the Lil' Kim vs. Nikki Minaj thing (conveniently coinciding with Nikki's first album drop, and Kim's first album in 6 years), or that Sacha Baron Cohen/Eminem thing at the Oscars a couple years ago (while BRUNO hit theaters and Em's new album was announced).

I'm glad I'm not the only one.

I don't really know anything about Kim vs Minaj or Borat vs Eminem, but I understand the point. 'Controversy' always seems to coincide conveniently with something marketable.




If anything, I think Sheen's "tiger blood" rant was TOO over-the-top to be believable. It's gotta be a marketing ploy, in my mind.
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Reply 5 of 18 (Originally posted on: 03-10-11 05:47:41 PM)
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Quoted from Ztolk:
Is there anything more to this scandal than him saying retarded shit while on drugs?


That pretty much sums it up, I think.

Charlie Sheen ... the John Belushi of his generation?
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Reply 6 of 18 (Originally posted on: 03-10-11 05:49:32 PM)
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John Belushi was funny though.
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Reply 7 of 18 (Originally posted on: 03-10-11 06:07:29 PM)
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There was something about a hooker-coke party, or something.


He claims he has two porn stars (one of them Bree Olsen) he calls his "Goddesses" living with him. Who knows.

He probably does/did have a coke/whore problem and his publicist said to run with it and go over-the-top to make it look like a satire.

See, now instead of trashy - its funny!
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Reply 8 of 18 (Originally posted on: 03-10-11 07:03:23 PM)
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I just wanna say that Bree Olsen had a relationship with Carlton from the Fresh Prince TV show. just sayin
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Reply 9 of 18 (Originally posted on: 03-10-11 09:06:08 PM)
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If not, look at Johnny Depp and Robert Downey Jr., both huuuge ex-druggies who used that to slingshot them into real stardom almost instantly with like one good role (Jack Sparrow, Tony Stark).
You have absolutely no idea what the hell you're talking about.

Johnny Depp has been a pretty big star since 21 Jump Street, and if not that, he's been a pretty famous cult star since Ed Wood and Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. Or, oh, I don't know, What's Eating Gilbert Grape? perhaps.

As for Robert Downey Jr, he was nominated for Best Actor in 1992 for his role in Chaplin, and starred in various other significant films in the late-80s and early-90s.

Needless to say, Tony Stark and Jack Sparrow did not catapult either of them into real stardom, they were both real stars before their drug problems.

On the other hand, about all Sheen has going for him is Platoon and Wall Street, and a bunch of shitty B-comedies, plus some absurdly crappy CBS sitcom.
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Reply 10 of 18 (Originally posted on: 03-10-11 11:33:08 PM)
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I totally disagree.

I feel like both of them fell off the map after their respective drug stints (because back in the 90's, drugs were bad), and both came back hard in both those roles.

If RDJ had been truely famous, even with an oscar, Kiss Kiss Bang Bang would have been a box office smash hit.

Famous actors before, Superstars now.
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Reply 11 of 18 (Originally posted on: 03-11-11 12:51:05 AM)
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Quoted from Ztolk:
Is there anything more to this scandal than him saying retarded shit while on drugs?


fyiiiii ztolk, he did a urine test and was clean as a whistle.

and don't ruin it t, with your conspiracy theories. That interview was hilarious.
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Reply 12 of 18 (Originally posted on: 03-11-11 07:01:51 AM)
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plus some absurdly crappy CBS sitcom.


Why the fuck is that show so popular? I couldn't sit through 1 episode it was so bad.
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Reply 13 of 18 (Originally posted on: 03-11-11 08:00:19 AM)
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I dunno. I don't like it, but I'm certainly in the minority around here.
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Reply 14 of 18 (Originally posted on: 03-11-11 11:18:55 PM)
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If the show is truly and mercifully canceled, I can celebrate never having to hear "meeeeeeeennnnnnn" when flipping channels again. Thank God.
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Reply 15 of 18 (Originally posted on: 03-13-11 12:45:27 AM)
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Whatever it is, I hope he keeps it up. "Tiger's blood" and "WINNING" have become running catchphrases at work and have provided us with endless entertainment.

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Reply 16 of 18 (Originally posted on: 03-13-11 09:56:02 AM)
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Yeah, Charlie Sheen is the Austin Powers of 2011. (I'm already kind of annoyed by everyone shouting "Winning, duh!" at me)
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Reply 17 of 18 (Originally posted on: 03-13-11 10:09:43 AM)
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Fucking hate catchphrases.
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Reply 18 of 18 (Originally posted on: 03-13-11 03:21:15 PM)
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He is winning though. No one can argue that.
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