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(Originally posted on: 12-10-10 09:10:04 AM)
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(mostly because I'm not posting pics)

http://www.npr.org/2010/12/10/131949362/transcript-obama-on-taxes-economy-and-start

Quoted from Barry:
The problem is, how are we dealing with our medium-term debt and deficit, and how are we dealing with our long-term debt and deficit? And most of that has to do with entitlements, particularly Social Security and Medicaid.

Quoted from HUSSEIN:
You know, when — when families sit around the kitchen table, they say to themselves, what are the things we have to have? College education for our kids. Paying our mortgage. Getting the roof repaired. A new boiler. What are the things that would be nice to have? A vacation. Eating out. Some new clothes. And if they can afford it, they'd buy things that they'd like to have. But the first thing they do is take care of the things that we have to have.

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So typically, the idea is simplifying the system, hopefully lowering rates


Holy shit. What have we done?
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Reply 1 of 37 (Originally posted on: 12-11-10 07:16:37 AM)
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For added effect you could give him the last name Osama or Osambo.
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Reply 2 of 37 (Originally posted on: 12-14-10 04:18:21 AM)
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I think the best way to save the government's money is by slashing the amount of people actually in the government. Pretty sure we don't need Janet Napolitano.
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Reply 3 of 37 (Originally posted on: 12-14-10 05:34:42 AM)
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How about cutting the military or our ridiculous wall street subsidies or tax breaks for the rich instead of cutting necessary bureaucratic features of government
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Reply 4 of 37 (Originally posted on: 12-14-10 08:55:22 AM)
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420 imperialism every day
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Reply 5 of 37 (Originally posted on: 12-14-10 09:00:57 AM)
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Graphs need labels.
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Reply 6 of 37 (Originally posted on: 12-14-10 10:04:52 AM)
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Quoted from Ingvar Ambjørnsen:
Graphs need labels.


Better yet, it could use some sources.
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Reply 7 of 37 (Originally posted on: 12-14-10 10:11:27 AM)
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Quoted from Ingvar Ambjørnsen:
Graphs need labels.
Do you really need a label for that to figure out what it is?
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Reply 8 of 37 (Originally posted on: 12-14-10 10:28:04 AM)
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The only source I could find for the first graph was on some congressman's website and below it says
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This chart represents the 2007-2008 U.S. discretionary budget, the portion of the budget that the President and Congress create each year. It does not include Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and interest on the national debt.


The second image, I was able to track it down to a source on PBS. It says
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The top 20 countries ranked by global military expenditure in 2007, in millions of constant 2005 US dollars
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Reply 9 of 37 (Originally posted on: 12-14-10 11:12:52 AM)
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This isn't sd.

(didn't really mean for this thread to be taken that seriously)

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Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid


Yeah yeah I google searched the chart. I do know from the last time we had this argument that when you take discretionary spending into account military spending is like 30% of the budget. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:U.S._Federal_Spending_-_FY_2007.png

(doesn't include discretionary spending)
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Reply 10 of 37 (Originally posted on: 12-14-10 01:45:55 PM)
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Clearly says it is 23%, not "like 30%".

If anything, you know we are fucked as a country when we are spending more to keep the old and poor floating than we are to keep our enemies in check.
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Reply 11 of 37 (Originally posted on: 12-14-10 02:15:05 PM)
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Why on earth would anyone make that 2nd graph as a pie chart? If it means what I think it means, it doesn't make any sense.
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Reply 12 of 37 (Originally posted on: 12-14-10 03:21:24 PM)
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I could google a bar graph if you want. I think Jerry from Ben & Jerry's made one a few years back.

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If anything, you know we are fucked as a country when we are spending more to keep the old and poor floating than we are to keep our enemies in check.


American Values:

1. Blowing people up
2. Old People
3. poors with medical conditions

Actually, when you take tax collection into account in addition to spending, this chart might change.

One final question: aren't social security and mediare/medicaid self supporting? They don't take money from the general fund for those things, right?
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Reply 13 of 37 (Originally posted on: 12-14-10 04:07:32 PM)
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If you look at your monthly pay check, you'll see three separate federal taxes: one for medicare, social security, and a general "federal tax".

Unsurprisingly, the one listed "social security" is the highest one. It's only going to get more of the lion's share in days to come until all of the baby boomers are gone.
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Reply 14 of 37 (Originally posted on: 12-14-10 04:27:09 PM)
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that's why I ask.
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Reply 15 of 37 (Originally posted on: 12-14-10 06:15:17 PM)
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Seriously, what is that pie graph? Military spending in millions of dollars?
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Reply 16 of 37 (Originally posted on: 12-15-10 12:02:00 AM)
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Quoted from ich bien berliner:
How about cutting the military or our ridiculous wall street subsidies or tax breaks for the rich instead of cutting necessary bureaucratic features of government


This goes without saying. Cut military spending, wall street subsidies, farm subsidies (we really don't need more corn), tax breaks for the rich, AND bureaucratic bloat.
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Reply 17 of 37 (Originally posted on: 12-15-10 07:41:53 AM)
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the second pie chart looks like world military expenditure. perhaps it's actually military spending of the top ~40 spenders, which probably looks more or less the same as total world military expenditure anyway. why shouldn't it be a pie?
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Reply 18 of 37 (Originally posted on: 12-15-10 07:46:36 AM)
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Honestly I think it's kinda fun to post unlabeled graphs / charts and guess what they are

here's an easy one:

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Reply 19 of 37 (Originally posted on: 12-15-10 08:03:30 AM)
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Percentage of wealth controlled by top 1%?
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I'm gonna guess it's the share of total income accruing to each of the top 1% earners (triangles), top 2%-5% (blue), and top 6%-10% (red).

I think what ice wants us to realize is that the nation's top earners (1%) reached a modern peak of 22.9% of the nation's income in 2006. The only year that has a higher portion of the national income is 1928. I think ice hopes that 2006 and 1928 don’t end up looking similar in other ways (recession!). If they do, it will be a good reminder that growth needs to be shared not just because it’s right, but also because it’ll last longer.



At least that's my take on it.
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Reply 22 of 37 (Originally posted on: 12-15-10 08:52:24 AM)
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see? it's fun, someone else do one
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Reply 23 of 37 (Originally posted on: 12-15-10 10:24:05 AM)
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Good thing there was no recession in the years following 2006.
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Reply 24 of 37 (Originally posted on: 12-15-10 03:51:28 PM)
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I did two already. It's someone elses turn.
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