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(Originally posted on: 09-23-10 03:52:48 PM)
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What do you think about this crazy shit?


Our response: "Stop being antisemitic and hateful."
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Reply 1 of 72 (Originally posted on: 09-23-10 04:18:27 PM)
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Mahmoud needs to take a chill pill.
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Reply 2 of 72 (Originally posted on: 09-23-10 04:37:05 PM)
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He's got nothing to stand on, especially with Iran's lack of women's rights.
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Reply 3 of 72 (Originally posted on: 09-23-10 05:13:41 PM)
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He should visit that x chromosome thread
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Reply 4 of 72 (Originally posted on: 09-23-10 05:46:37 PM)
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He's Iran's President Bush. He's always playing to the base.
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Reply 5 of 72 (Originally posted on: 09-23-10 06:42:07 PM)
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just so you guys know, being anti-israel is not being antisemetic. there is nothing inherently antisemetic about saying that Israel should not exist
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Reply 6 of 72 (Originally posted on: 09-23-10 07:08:37 PM)
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He's called for it to be "wiped off the map" which basically means "kill every Jew inside."
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Reply 7 of 72 (Originally posted on: 09-23-10 09:45:18 PM)
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Don't know why Obama won't. He's a much better speaker than Bush (assuming he isn't just fed all his lines) and could probably goad Ahmadenijad into some PC battles he won't win.
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Reply 8 of 72 (Originally posted on: 09-23-10 09:48:52 PM)
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He never called for Israel to be literally wiped off the map, that was a deliberate mistranslation of one of his speeches out of context, he really meant "'the current regime running the country known as 'Israel' should be removed and replaced with one called 'Palestine'", a statement many sane people would agree with I am sure.
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Reply 9 of 72 (Originally posted on: 09-23-10 10:31:03 PM)
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I love that threats against Israel are seen as unfathomable, while the creation of Israel in an established state went off without a hitch. He's basically doing all this to curry favor in the Middle East by standing up to us.

Also, has anyone else noticed the ramped up rhetoric against Iran by the US? The administration is basically repeating the same stuff that was used to rouse anti-Iraq sentiment leading up to the war. Why are people falling for this again?

Rigged elections - check.
Weapons of mass destruction - check.
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Reply 10 of 72 (Originally posted on: 09-24-10 03:16:54 AM)
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death to israel / america
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Reply 11 of 72 (Originally posted on: 09-24-10 08:48:26 PM)
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Rigged elections - check.
Weapons of mass destruction - check.
Guilty of human rights violations (which we've systematically ignored for years) - check.
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Reply 12 of 72 (Originally posted on: 09-24-10 08:55:47 PM)
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Ok, so why haven't we done anything about it yet? Is it really our job to clean it up?
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Reply 13 of 72 (Originally posted on: 09-24-10 11:26:51 PM)
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while the creation of Israel in an established state went off without a hitch


Which state?
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Reply 14 of 72 (Originally posted on: 09-25-10 02:19:23 AM)
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Ok, so why haven't we done anything about it yet? Is it really our job to clean it up?


I don't believe so. But people look to this country as some sort of world police because America has continually stepped in and inserted itself in foreign conflicts in an attempt to "do good" or "fight injustice/tyranny." While, in reality, the government merely acts out of self-interest and a desire to consolidate power in whatever region the trouble's in.

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while the creation of Israel in an established state went off without a hitch


Which state?


Palestine?
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Reply 15 of 72 (Originally posted on: 09-25-10 06:10:16 AM)
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Wasn't an established state. It was part of the British Mandate and before that it was part of the Ottoman empire.
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Reply 16 of 72 (Originally posted on: 09-25-10 08:03:13 AM)
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It was a district of the Ottoman empire referred to as "Palestine." It never had a chance to become a sovereign state. The Brits came in, took over, and fucked around with everything.
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Reply 17 of 72 (Originally posted on: 09-25-10 08:14:31 AM)
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So Israel wasn't created "in an established state."
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Reply 18 of 72 (Originally posted on: 09-25-10 08:32:46 AM)
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Also, saying it "went off without a hitch" is a bit disengenuous, don't you think? I mean, we're kind of experiencing a giant never ending hitch right now as we speak.
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Reply 19 of 72 (Originally posted on: 09-25-10 08:34:36 AM)
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there was an established administrative entity there. It wasn't an independent state as such but It's not as if Israel expanded into an anarchic, ungoverned wilderness either.
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Reply 20 of 72 (Originally posted on: 09-25-10 08:35:03 AM)
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Quoted from Beta Wolf:
So Israel wasn't created "in an established state."


That's semantics. And an almost Vissario-ish response.
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Reply 21 of 72 (Originally posted on: 09-25-10 08:37:43 AM)
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Ok, so why haven't we done anything about it yet? Is it really our job to clean it up?
I was agreeing with you, dummy. We did the same thing with Iraq since the 1980's. We supported Saddam's regime both directly and indirectly, while ignoring his human's rights violations. When it was no longer in our best interest to do so, we paraded those violations in order to galvanize public opinion against them, justifying our inevitable use of force.

To answer your questions: we haven't done anything yet, because anyone can plainly see that would be suicide, given our existing military climate. Is it our job to clean it up? It's clearly not. The fact that we assume the role of "world police" is clearly a cover for pursuing our own interests. However, I will say that our government does a fantastic job of propagandizing those efforts as being altruistic and moral, when the reality of the situation is our actions are a result of nothing more than calculated self-interest. (edit: looks like I basically just restated what FA said in less words.)
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Reply 22 of 72 (Originally posted on: 09-25-10 08:40:04 AM)
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Reply 23 of 72 (Originally posted on: 09-25-10 11:12:56 AM)
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Quoted from jimmy:
Ok, so why haven't we done anything about it yet? Is it really our job to clean it up?
I was agreeing with you, dummy. We did the same thing with Iraq since the 1980's. We supported Saddam's regime both directly and indirectly, while ignoring his human's rights violations. When it was no longer in our best interest to do so, we paraded those violations in order to galvanize public opinion against them, justifying our inevitable use of force.

To answer your questions: we haven't done anything yet, because anyone can plainly see that would be suicide, given our existing military climate. Is it our job to clean it up? It's clearly not. The fact that we assume the role of "world police" is clearly a cover for pursuing our own interests. However, I will say that our government does a fantastic job of propagandizing those efforts as being altruistic and moral, when the reality of the situation is our actions are a result of nothing more than calculated self-interest. (edit: looks like I basically just restated what FA said in less words.)


Haha... I typed up three paragraphs and then noticed FA got it in four lines.
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Reply 24 of 72 (Originally posted on: 09-26-10 10:10:05 AM)
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FA have you applied to that college you were talking about yet.
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