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I'm not interested in what the "easiest political test in the world" says you are politically, I am interested in what party you align yourselves with.

I know a lot of you will say that there is no difference in the republicans or democrats, and I might tend to agree on certain issues; but I want to hear from only those who feel strongly one way or another. Let's not forget about viable third parties either, such as the reform party (leadership?) and of course the Libertarian party (which is the best idealogically) but I think a lot of their followers try to push the drug-legalization agenda first and that is just not going to get them in any important poltical offices.

I myself am a Libertarian. I hate democrats with a passion and I could do without most republicans. Freedom should have no compromise.

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Reply 1 of 92 (Originally posted on: 04-18-02 10:59:48 PM)
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Reply 2 of 92 (Originally posted on: 04-18-02 11:17:33 PM)
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Personally, it depends on the ideologies of the party. Therefore, I have yet to associate myself with one party.

However, I do not like the Canadian Liberal Party, nor do I like several other Canadian Parties such as the NDP or the Alliance. In America, I do not have any bias toward Democrats nor Republicans. I don't prefer either parties beliefs completely.


I most likely could conclude that I am a centrist.

I have read about many political ideologies, and I believe many of them have loop holes.

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Reply 3 of 92 (Originally posted on: 04-18-02 11:21:17 PM)
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If I needed to classify myself as a specific party member in the US i would be a Libertarian. I believe that government should have as little direct effect on the people as possible. As far as the drug issue is concerned ... perhaps the reason why libertarians talk about it so much is because it serves as a perfect example of individual freedom and the rights we have lost as Americans.

I would like to leave you with a quote from the great Emerson: "All government in essence, is tyranny."

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Reply 4 of 92 (Originally posted on: 04-18-02 11:25:07 PM)
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Yay Spurlin, nice choice of a quote there.

I don't associate myself with any political party at all. I admit to being fond of Marxism as a philosophy, but we've kind of discovered how it tends to get a little bit corrupt in practice.
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Reply 5 of 92 (Originally posted on: 04-18-02 11:28:32 PM)
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I consider myself a Marxist.

As for [major] political parties within the US, I'd have to say that I identify most with the Green Party.

I consider Democrats and Republicans to be essentially the same.
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Reply 6 of 92 (Originally posted on: 04-18-02 11:55:37 PM)
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Libertarians, probably.
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Reply 7 of 92 (Originally posted on: 04-19-02 12:06:07 AM)
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I'm not sure what a Libertarian is.

Can anyone refer me to someplace where I might learn about their platform?
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Reply 8 of 92 (Originally posted on: 04-19-02 12:35:47 AM)
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Yeah, ice. Try www.lp.org for a start.
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Reply 9 of 92 (Originally posted on: 04-19-02 12:36:56 AM)
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Quoted from uselessinformation:
Jacobite.


What the fuck is a Jacobite?
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Reply 10 of 92 (Originally posted on: 04-19-02 12:39:22 AM)
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Quoted from Sunshine:
Personally, it depends on the ideologies of the party. Therefore, I have yet to associate myself with one party.

However, I do not like the Canadian Liberal Party, nor do I like several other Canadian Parties such as the NDP or the Alliance. In America, I do not have any bias toward Democrats nor Republicans. I don't prefer either parties beliefs completely.


I most likely could conclude that I am a centrist.

I have read about many political ideologies, and I believe many of them have loop holes.

_Sunny



Oh, but there has never been anything great to come out of centralized views. It's like being a moderate, you are just too timid to piss anyone by letting them know how you really feel.

What do you mean, they have loop holes? What political ideologies have you read? Are you talking about Locke? Please, elaborate.
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Reply 11 of 92 (Originally posted on: 04-19-02 12:43:39 AM)
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... perhaps the reason why libertarians talk about it so much is because it serves as a perfect example of individual freedom and the rights we have lost as Americans.

I would like to leave you with a quote from the great Emerson: "All government in essence, is tyranny."

-Erik


Yes, I agree it's a shining example of the creation of these victimless crimes; but you also have to understand that you are totally alienating anyone 25+ if you campaign on the platform of legalization of marijuana and other drugs, I think it should be done (I'm not sure how, and don't want to debate that yet). You should not let drugs define a party's platform.

I think a better example of where we have lost rights is illegal search and seizure, judicial activism, privacy issues, ugh.. the list goes on. Especially second ammendment rights.

Emerson was not so great.
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Reply 12 of 92 (Originally posted on: 04-19-02 12:44:28 AM)
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Quoted from ice:
I consider myself a Marxist.

As for [major] political parties within the US, I'd have to say that I identify most with the Green Party.

I consider Democrats and Republicans to be essentially the same.


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Reply 13 of 92 (Originally posted on: 04-19-02 12:48:44 AM)
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Nader would be better than Bush.

This Libertarian Party looks like a Republican party without the war part. I'm not a Libertarian, then. Not in the least.
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Reply 14 of 92 (Originally posted on: 04-19-02 11:16:48 AM)
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What the fuck is a Jacobite?


Someone whose political goals include the restoration of the Stewarts as Kings of Scots.
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Reply 15 of 92 (Originally posted on: 04-19-02 01:57:10 PM)
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I already answered this ... but I wanted to throw in a little more input about parties themselves. They are a HUGE obstacle to all progress. Our (well, my ... the US) whole government does more fighting among itself then thinking. When one runs under a particular platform and is endorsed and financially supported under a specific party title, he limits himself to the views of that party. So often a bill is rejected by 9 out of 10 democrats and accepted by 9 out of 10 republicans. It is ridiculous. What ever happened to the concept of democracy ... yanno, that idealistic governmental structure that we falsely classify ourselves under? We may live in a nation ruled by many, but we are essentially ruled by 2 or 3 viewpoints. George Washington, in his farewell address, warned of the danger of political parties.
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Reply 16 of 92 (Originally posted on: 04-19-02 02:44:36 PM)
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If I had to choose a party...i guess it would be Libertarian. But I do not entirely agree with any one party's stance, so I consider myself independant.

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Reply 17 of 92 (Originally posted on: 04-19-02 02:47:02 PM)
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Oh, but there has never been anything great to come out of centralized views. It's like being a moderate, you are just too timid to piss anyone by letting them know how you really feel.

What do you mean, they have loop holes? What political ideologies have you read? Are you talking about Locke? Please, elaborate.



As I stated before, I don't actually assosiate myself with any political association, although I may share traits from many of them. I guess I'm considered Independant. And believe me I am not that shy when it comes to my political views. Although my political assosiation is in many ways centrist, I tend to have both Libertarian, and Anarchist Views.

Now about the loop-holes. If you were to examine many of the ideologies of the political associations you would realize that many of them have internal problems, such as Locke and Marx. Political leaders of these parties have a tendency to use these holes in their political association, to overall gain for themselves. And these holes in politic associations are not limited to non-modern political ideologies such as locke..but to modern ideologies such as Russian Communism. Which inevitably lead to the end of that political association, or which changed the publics view towards that ideology.

In my opinion, a political association is only as good as that political associations leader.

I also agree with Spurlin's quote from Emerson.

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Reply 18 of 92 (Originally posted on: 04-19-02 04:44:19 PM)
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Republican (what else would I be? :p)

Spurlin: I have always wondered why people voted and supported a group/party that had a snowball's chance to win?
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Reply 19 of 92 (Originally posted on: 04-19-02 06:45:20 PM)
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Well, I'm a republican who believes in everything republican except the environment.

Is there a name for that?
Isn't that like the Green party or something?
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Reply 20 of 92 (Originally posted on: 04-19-02 08:12:15 PM)
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Well, I'm a republican who believes in everything republican except the environment.
Is there a name for that?
Isn't that like the Green party or something?


No.

It makes you a fucking idiot - that's about all.

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Spurlin: I have always wondered why people voted and supported a group/party that had a snowball's chance to win?


Oh, right. Because popular opinion is always right...

Do you realize that only 30-some % of americans vote? The rest don't because they're fed up with the horrificly inept one party state masquerading as a two party state.

The more you vote for alternative parties, the more you take away power from the major 2 and the more you increase their coverage, thus increasing their numbers.


Personally, I don't define myself by a political party. In matters of civil rights and liberties, i'm libertarian. In matters of economics, I'm a socialist (I won't define my type [okay, maybe i will - an eifer-ist :p] ).

That puts me closest to the green party, and I'd most likely vote for a majority of their candidates in an election.
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Reply 21 of 92 (Originally posted on: 04-19-02 09:53:28 PM)
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Spurlin: I have always wondered why people voted and supported a group/party that had a snowball's chance to win?


It seems to me like you are taking the "we can't win, so lets just make the best of what we got" type attitude. If you don't agree with the Democratic or Republican platform, it is your DUTY as a citizen to go out and vote for leaders that do share your point of view. Azzie ... the hope is that if we vote for a third party and they get 5% of the total vote, at least they will be known. People might go and check out their platform ... and over time they may actually have a chance at getting elected to a high position.
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Reply 22 of 92 (Originally posted on: 04-21-02 02:40:07 PM)
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I agree. You have to start somewhere, you can't just expect the party or group to magically start gaining a large amount of voter support.
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Reply 23 of 92 (Originally posted on: 04-21-02 03:18:25 PM)
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It's really sad that people don't vote.
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Reply 24 of 92 (Originally posted on: 04-21-02 03:35:34 PM)
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I try to vote in every election, even the off-year city council elections... of course, everyone I vote for loses...

I voted Republican in the last 2 elections, though a democrat or two did get my vote in some races. I guess, unless I feel stronly about a person, my default vote is Republican.
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