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(Originally posted on: 07-06-09 05:59:24 PM)
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Seriously. Do it.
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Reply 1 of 35 (Originally posted on: 07-06-09 07:23:56 PM)
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Works for me.
I don't have a drinking problem.
I drink, I get drunk, I fall down.
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Reply 2 of 35 (Originally posted on: 07-07-09 05:22:25 AM)
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Especially considering that Wheezy is an empty body.
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Reply 3 of 35 (Originally posted on: 07-07-09 06:00:02 AM)
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we have 7 admins and 9 moderators, i think we should find more elaborate ways to impose artificial bureaucratic structures on the forum.
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Reply 4 of 35 (Originally posted on: 07-07-09 07:13:43 AM)
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Honestly I don't think we need any moderators.
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Reply 5 of 35 (Originally posted on: 07-07-09 07:27:53 AM)
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Quoted from Bebop:
we have 7 admins and 9 moderators, i think we should find more elaborate ways to impose artificial bureaucratic structures on the forum.

Pick who to get rid of then. Every time I ask that question, nobody gives me a straight answer.
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Reply 6 of 35 (Originally posted on: 07-07-09 08:41:38 AM)
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I would keep yourself, sandamnit and sunny since you all have a claim on the site, I'd think about keeping Dimi since he posts everywhere and I'd get rid of everyone else.
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Reply 7 of 35 (Originally posted on: 07-07-09 09:08:51 AM)
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Nick, you could moderate my forum. The only requirement is to be fabulous.
if you have time to read my sig you have time to post in my forum
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Reply 8 of 35 (Originally posted on: 07-07-09 01:11:03 PM)
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Quoted from Bebop:
I would keep yourself, sandamnit and sunny since you all have a claim on the site, I'd think about keeping Dimi since he posts everywhere and I'd get rid of everyone else.


I honestly agree with this idea too. I didn't realize that there were that many moderators. I never pay attention to that sort of thing.

I think there should be 5 admin: Sunny, Dimi, Sandy, IF0, and Chimp.

I think that there should 2 global moderators: Drah and someone else with a high level of activity.
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Reply 9 of 35 (Originally posted on: 07-07-09 02:19:29 PM)
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Staff was a wee bit trimmed earlier today.

Some staff members hadn't posted but maybe once or twice in the past month, and another had posted about 12 times, but every post was less than 4 words. Blah blah. I want the staff to contribute!
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Reply 10 of 35 (Originally posted on: 07-07-09 04:00:25 PM)
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what is the function of a global moderator that isn't already covered by having 5 admins?
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Reply 11 of 35 (Originally posted on: 07-07-09 04:12:25 PM)
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Once again, instead of simply posing questions that show obvious disdain with how something is set up, make a suggestion about who should be doing what, and who shouldn't be doing what.

For being a board that prides itself on having the balls to say whatever, whenever this is brought up, they all apparently roll behind a file cabinet somewhere when it comes to mentioning who gets the shaft in the ass about being a staff member here.
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Reply 12 of 35 (Originally posted on: 07-07-09 04:29:37 PM)
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Quoted from IF0:
Once again, instead of simply posing questions that show obvious disdain with how something is set up, make a suggestion about who should be doing what, and who shouldn't be doing what.

For being a board that prides itself on having the balls to say whatever, whenever this is brought up, they all apparently roll behind a file cabinet somewhere when it comes to mentioning who gets the shaft in the ass about being a staff member here.


Anyone that doesn't post regularly shouldn't be a staff member. Anyone that doesn't create threads shouldn't be a staff member. The moderator of a forum should pretty much be the most active member of a given forum - someone capable of sparking activity and leading discussions.

Look at Pretension Palace - It is easily one of the most inactive forums here - when is the last time the mod contributed to that place? He doesn't even have a thread on the first page!

RS doesn't even need moderation. Anything goes in there anyway - so fuck it! The subforums of RS are fine as is. Snowy actually contributes porn, no problem there. The time that I spend at INTL is spent in the main forums - I think the only reason I am a mod of that place is because I asked Sunny to make me one when i was wasted on Skype.
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Reply 13 of 35 (Originally posted on: 07-07-09 05:02:40 PM)
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When it comes to staff, there are now 5 admins, 1 global mod, and 5 mods. RS, its subforums and C&S don't count - RS moderation is its own cultural oddity, and C&S is a placeholder with little to no responsibilities (sorry Ztolk, but this is probably the most active thread you've had in months). It was merely given as a prize for a competition a while back.

There are quite a few admins, though all are currently active. No more axing will occur with that, unless we end up giving up on INTL entirely, and we stop really posting. It's up to each their own.

Even when mods disappear, or don't post much, its been out of respect that they're kept. It's easy to go into the admin panel and de-mod someone, it's not so easy to get over the feeling that by doing so you are betraying them. This is especially true when keeping or removing mods doesn't change anything, and might only make an INTLer no longer feel obligated to continue to visit INTL. I hope this isn't the case, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's partly true; I get it at times, where I feel I *need* to check it.

It's also a saddening sign as to how INTL is going. This is the fourth significant moderation change INTL has had since 2006 - each year seems to bring about a more drastic change. I'm not against it, and in terms of the number of moderation replacements before 2006 there's hardly any turnover in mods, but it's change in the direction of fewer and fewer staff. It was only just a year ago that we had 2 staff per forum; now we're contemplating doubling-up mods across several forums. Is this moving INTL in the right direction?

That leaves what to do, if anything, now.

There are a few set-ups that may or may not work (merely as examples):

5 admins - 2 global mods - 2/3 forum specific mods.
In this system, along with drah, there'd be another global mod from an unknown source - preferably from the current staff but it doesn't have to be. That would leave 2 or 3 mods spread out across a couple forums each.

5 admins - no global mods - 4/5 forum specific mods.
Drah would be demoted to ID mod. That would leave BB and H&B open for either new mods or for mods from other forums to moderate.

5 admins - 3/4 global mods - maybe 1 forum specific mod, or none.
Along with drah, 2 new global mods from the staff roster or the userbase. Maybe one forum specific mod, if needed.

5 admins - 1 global mod - 5/6 forum specific mods.
The current system. Leave things as they are now, maybe with an addition or two.
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Reply 14 of 35 (Originally posted on: 07-07-09 05:26:48 PM)
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Quoted from Sunny:
5 admins - 3 global mods - maybe 1 forum specific mod, or none.
Along with drah, 2 new global mods from the staff roster or the userbase. Maybe one forum specific mod, if needed.



I still think that people that are the most active should be staff.

Admins: Sandy, IF0, Chimp, Sunny, Dimi

As far as the global mods go, I think they should be pulled from this pool: Ice, Nickolati, Flaming Arrow, Ztolk, Just Dandy, and Amphy. Drah should keep his spot, but he needs to contribute more.

Those are just the most active people I could come up with off the top of my head. Well... that noob is posting his ass off, but whatever!
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Reply 15 of 35 (Originally posted on: 07-07-09 09:04:50 PM)
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As far as the global mods go, I think they should be pulled from this pool: Ice, Nickolati, Flaming Arrow, Ztolk, Just Dandy, and Amphy. Drah should keep his spot, but he needs to contribute more.



Do any of these people actually want to be one, though?
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Reply 16 of 35 (Originally posted on: 07-08-09 12:31:19 AM)
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Forum staff is not about contribution or activity, although the latter helps, it's about being willing to do the bitchwork of keeping a forum clean and organized and being able to keep a level head and unbiased mind when wielding the big hammer.

Instead of placing the burden of being interesting solely on staff like it's some kind of job requirement (which coincidentally is often directly at odds with what you'd REALLY want in a stable mod team) that should be up to everyone that posts.
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Reply 17 of 35 (Originally posted on: 07-08-09 05:25:08 AM)
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In that case, we STILL need less staff because, well, the ratio of moderation ability to actual content is a little too high as it is. However, if I am going to pick which staff to keep, I've always preferred the proactive and high-posted staff that involve the forum community. That hasn't been any secret since I've babbled about it for a long ass time now.
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Reply 18 of 35 (Originally posted on: 07-08-09 03:15:48 PM)
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As far as the global mods go, I think they should be pulled from this pool: Ice, Nickolati, Flaming Arrow, Ztolk, Just Dandy, and Amphy. Drah should keep his spot, but he needs to contribute more.



Do any of these people actually want to be one, though?


If I was asked, I would - but I am not going to make a big deal out of it though - like creating a thread!
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Reply 19 of 35 (Originally posted on: 07-08-09 07:47:36 PM)
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Wow this thread imploded overnight.

a) I'd be willing to be a global moderator if asked.

b) I do think we have too many (at least inactive) mods--wheezy, emtilt, and antpocas don't really contribute as much as they used to, and I agree with the idea of having fewer moderators who cover more territory. I guess this is the path we're currently wandering down. I'm not sure how I feel about more global moderators in addition to keeping the number of regular moderators as is, but if (for example) I were made a global moderator then H&B/CR would be without moderators, which is okay. They don't get so much activity that they need their own moderators, and if global moderators are "assigned" specific forums to keep an eye on (eg. drah specifically watches the general discussion forums while the other global mod watches everything else), the specific discussion forums especially don't need their own specific moderators.

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It's also a saddening sign as to how INTL is going. This is the fourth significant moderation change INTL has had since 2006 - each year seems to bring about a more drastic change. I'm not against it, and in terms of the number of moderation replacements before 2006 there's hardly any turnover in mods, but it's change in the direction of fewer and fewer staff. It was only just a year ago that we had 2 staff per forum; now we're contemplating doubling-up mods across several forums. Is this moving INTL in the right direction?

I honestly don't see why it would be the wrong. It's no secret that INTL's activity on the whole has declined, and it's a matter of supply and demand--more posts, more staff; fewer posts, less staff. We're not cutting necks here, and if INTL does become more active again people can always be reappointed as staff or new moderators can be chosen.

d) I think sukkit should stay as SD moderator, for what it's worth. Whether or not we change the number of mods/global mods, I think SD really needs its own moderator who is consistent and predictable, with specific rules that forummers can follow.
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Reply 20 of 35 (Originally posted on: 07-08-09 09:06:22 PM)
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I was actually gonna say, of the people in that list, the two people i'd most be down for being global mods would be nicko and amphy. So it's cool that you guys are actually down. Not that I'm going to do much about it, though. (sorry)
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Reply 21 of 35 (Originally posted on: 07-09-09 05:33:34 AM)
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For the record, antpocas has had 9 non-RS posts in the past 30 days.

Emtilt has had 8.

To compare, Sukkit has posted 35 times. Ztolk 62. Amphy over 100+. Tart 71.
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Reply 22 of 35 (Originally posted on: 07-09-09 10:40:23 AM)
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So we're back on adding staff? This is really funny




no one get their feelings hurt ok:

Here's my idea: fire everyone except sandy, sunny, and sukkit. they're the only important admins / mods. sorry dimi (you're still my bro)

Then maybe each forum except SD can have a mod contest, whoever can drum up the most activity in some given time period gets to be a mod, if no one bothers, that forum probably doesn't need a mod anyway.

We've reached the point that we're basically a self-moderating community anyway
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Reply 23 of 35 (Originally posted on: 07-09-09 11:02:54 AM)
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To be fair, I don't do shit anymore as an administrator. I occasionally ban or warn people if I'm the first to notice something extreme, but I don't make any policy or have any real say in matters concerning the site. It's more the fact that I founded INTL and wrote the software that I remain an admin.
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Reply 24 of 35 (Originally posted on: 07-09-09 11:12:40 AM)
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No, Ice, staff isn't being added. That's why several were removed, and why it's been asked who to remove. I don't really know where the adding came from.

And yeah, Sandamnit has it right. Unless he steps down, he'll be there, but he hasn't asked or tried to be involved in any of the other decisions. He's pretty chill about all of it.
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