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(Originally posted on: 11-07-08 11:11:59 AM)
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Much has been made of Obama and the so-called politics of HOPE and CHANGE, but what has been made of the money use has used to promote that message? Since his first fundraising efforts in 2007, Obama has managed to raise an astonishing amount of 650 million USD, or, in another way to say it, nearly triple the amount McCain was able to raise in his entire campaign. But what does this mean? This means that Obama, flush with cash enabled him to pull of this amazing spectacle:

"Obamaĺs huge edge in finances enabled him to devote nearly three times as much as McCain to advertising, with the Democrat spending $21.5 million to McCainĺs $7.5 million from Oct. 21 to Oct. 28 as Election Day neared.

On the day before the election, Obama ran 3,410 ads in seven competitive states, while McCain ran only 1,900.

Obama also far outspent McCain on staff salaries, helping him to open field offices and fund a get-out-the-vote effort
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Does no one else see anything wrong with this? How can a man who has touted himself as reaching beyond the hum-drum practices of Washington really be willing to indulge in the same burlesque he criticizes? Rather than take public funding, a practice he has routinely lauded as a great way to keep things "fair", he instead goes on to take private donations because, wait for it....HE WANTS THA MONIES!
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Reply 1 of 45 (Originally posted on: 11-07-08 02:07:31 PM)
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People donate to him because they like him. Is there a problem with using money smartly once you have it?
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Reply 2 of 45 (Originally posted on: 11-07-08 02:17:55 PM)
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Yes, actually there is. Enough money can popularize anyone, and it does make a fair election impossible. Our public financing system also has some problems though. Campaign financing is in desperate need of reform, as are a number of other aspects of our electoral system.
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Reply 3 of 45 (Originally posted on: 11-07-08 02:32:43 PM)
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But it's not just lots of money->fancy campaign->victory, it's popular candidate->lots of donations->lots of money->fancy campagin->victory which buckles down to popular candidate->victory.
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Reply 4 of 45 (Originally posted on: 11-07-08 02:36:58 PM)
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Except usually it's giant corporate dollars->fancy campaign->victory->politicians in the pocket.

Not that i'm making any specific criticism on this particular election, 'cause I have no idea.
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Reply 5 of 45 (Originally posted on: 11-07-08 03:42:17 PM)
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What Dimi said + it's a snowball effect. The huge number of people that ended up giving Obama money weren't always doing so.
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Reply 6 of 45 (Originally posted on: 11-07-08 04:11:37 PM)
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I would be happy if there where 20 issues to vote on. You voted on how you feel about each issues. And while that was going on there was 100 candidates, and in the end your vote would go for who you agreed with the most. That really is the only way that would make sense.
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Reply 7 of 45 (Originally posted on: 11-07-08 06:19:33 PM)
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Would "How do you feel about scientific testing on animals" be ranked the same as "Should we invade another country to boost our economy?"
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Reply 8 of 45 (Originally posted on: 11-07-08 07:47:47 PM)
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Maybe you get 40 points to use on the issues. You can assign each issue any amount of points but you can't go over 20.
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Reply 9 of 45 (Originally posted on: 11-07-08 09:50:58 PM)
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Voter turnout is now 3%.
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Reply 10 of 45 (Originally posted on: 11-07-08 09:57:12 PM)
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Yeah man, that's like way too much effort for voting. You're supposed to appeal to the masses.
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Reply 11 of 45 (Originally posted on: 11-07-08 10:33:38 PM)
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we do it all the time




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Reply 12 of 45 (Originally posted on: 11-07-08 11:17:15 PM)
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No, buddy. We don't.
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Reply 13 of 45 (Originally posted on: 11-07-08 11:34:53 PM)
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I'm crackin jokes here snap
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Reply 14 of 45 (Originally posted on: 11-07-08 11:36:40 PM)
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Crackalackin or just crackin? I wish Nova were here so he could make a poll to decide which it actually is you're doing.
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Reply 15 of 45 (Originally posted on: 11-07-08 11:47:05 PM)
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I have a clean record of having never once crackalacked
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Reply 16 of 45 (Originally posted on: 11-08-08 12:36:00 AM)
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how is any of this news?
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Reply 17 of 45 (Originally posted on: 11-08-08 12:53:19 AM)
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how is any of this news?

You can't tell me that Dimi's post is not news.
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Reply 18 of 45 (Originally posted on: 11-08-08 03:49:11 AM)
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So now you have to be rich to be elected? Shocking!
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Reply 19 of 45 (Originally posted on: 11-08-08 07:54:19 AM)
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Quoted from emtilt:
Yes, actually there is. Enough money can popularize anyone, and it does make a fair election impossible. Our public financing system also has some problems though. Campaign financing is in desperate need of reform, as are a number of other aspects of our electoral system.


I do agree with this, however it wouldn't have changed my vote. I was originally for Ron Paul (R). Yes, there should be a cap on campaign finances and money spent on advertising.
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Reply 20 of 45 (Originally posted on: 11-08-08 12:20:04 PM)
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Quoted from emtilt:
Yes, actually there is. Enough money can popularize anyone, and it does make a fair election impossible. Our public financing system also has some problems though. Campaign financing is in desperate need of reform, as are a number of other aspects of our electoral system.


I do agree with this, however it wouldn't have changed my vote. I was originally for Ron Paul (R). Yes, there should be a cap on campaign finances and money spent on advertising.
Ron Paul got plenty of money from fundraisers and it got him shit, because his ridiculous positions made him unelectable. He isn't exactly the most charismatic candidade, either.
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Reply 21 of 45 (Originally posted on: 11-08-08 12:37:03 PM)
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Quoted from The Niggabomber:
Quoted from emtilt:
Yes, actually there is. Enough money can popularize anyone, and it does make a fair election impossible. Our public financing system also has some problems though. Campaign financing is in desperate need of reform, as are a number of other aspects of our electoral system.


I do agree with this, however it wouldn't have changed my vote. I was originally for Ron Paul (R). Yes, there should be a cap on campaign finances and money spent on advertising.
Ron Paul got plenty of money from fundraisers and it got him shit, because his ridiculous positions made him unelectable. He isn't exactly the most charismatic candidade, either.


Yeah, I know that he also collected a great deal of money for his campaign.
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Reply 22 of 45 (Originally posted on: 11-08-08 12:52:27 PM)
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Ron Paul raised only 5% of what Obama raised, 9% of what McCain raised, 15% of what Clinton raised, 31% of what Romney raised, 58% of what Guiliani raised, and 60% of what John Edwards raised.

Obviously he was also less electable than the frontrunners, but he wasn't even on the same playing field financially as they were. Obama, Clinton, Romney, and McCain had a whole different order of magnitude to work with.
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Reply 23 of 45 (Originally posted on: 11-08-08 01:27:48 PM)
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Ron Paul raised only 5% of what Obama raised, 9% of what McCain raised, 15% of what Clinton raised, 31% of what Romney raised, 58% of what Guiliani raised, and 60% of what John Edwards raised.

Obviously he was also less electable than the frontrunners, but he wasn't even on the same playing field financially as they were. Obama, Clinton, Romney, and McCain had a whole different order of magnitude to work with.
Obviously the playing field isn't level if you're a far-right or far-left politician.
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Reply 24 of 45 (Originally posted on: 11-08-08 01:31:10 PM)
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I'm not arguing that Ron Paul should have won or raised as much as they did (hell, I think Ron Paul is a moron), just that there is a serious problem. You can't have a fair election without some sort of control on the financing, because everything is a function of money (including what is "far-right or far-left").

EDIT: Nor am I saying that I know what the best solution would be. I'm just making an observation.
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