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In less than 24 hours, Barack Obama, the self-championed Mocha Messiah will become the new president of the United States and take upon himself the heavy burden of an eroding economy, a faltering geopolitical position, and a decline in general living standards. What will this bring to bear? Sweet fruits which will sweeten the air, or rotting flesh which will lay low the notion of the "Magic Negro"?

In my opinion...this election will be a dud. Obama will win, Obama will be in office, and Obama will not do anything which will not go unscrutinized, uncommented, and unfairly criticized by the media and its favorite conservative watchdogs. We will see him almost certainly bumble around the Middle East. In his foreign policy, a continuation of what the last administration has done is the only plausible action which will not result in a massive defacing of American military and geopolitical prowess. Israel will continue to have our undying support and Iran will only see more daggers issuing forth from our eyes.

As our economy stumbles, Obama will attempt to prop it up with tax incentives and populist "soak-the-rich!" campaigns aimed at redistributing wealth on the poor man's behalf. One can expect half-hearted socialism from Obama and all of his democratic colleagues. In fact, the only major contribution Obama will make to the situation is a stiffening of taxes on the upper 30% making over 200,000$ a year in income. All of the protectionism initiated by Bush and his cronies can be expected to carry-on well into the future.

Hopefully, by the grace of whatever god you believe in, all of our businesses here in the US can be partly owned by the Government. In fact, why not just make them a permanent part of the Government? Yes, it is a nice and sunshiny future laying in store for us. One day, probably in the first 100 days, Obama will give us a new domestic military force he foretold. Instead of calling them something as obscene as "brown shirts", we could perhaps call them "black shirts" or "rainbow shirts". Either way, these men and women would do well in keeping the order and civility of society intact. Where there is a riot against the Government, they will be there, where ever there is a thought of revolt, they will be there! They will be there, in your community, watching and waiting for any sign of disillusionment with the government that rules you, the corporation that feeds you, or the society that keeps you in shackles.

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I threw a Lolvote for Ron Paul, because if I'm forced to choose between a giant douch and a shit sandwich I'll choose lolz.

Other than that, I voted against any incumbant on the ballot That's change you can count on!

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It's far too easy to be a cynic when it comes to American politics. I'd say that it'll be fun to point out when you're wrong, but the stance you take will undoubtedly come to fruition on at least one level, so your stance is fairly safe to take and I think anyone who takes the bait and argues you is just setting themselves up for failure.

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What's your opinion, then, sandamnit?

Are you looking forward to the bright, multicultural rainbow future that America has in store for you? Our capitalist overlords are quickly making it so that every iota of resistance to their plans for a global business community is crushed; things like nationalism, racialism, cultural ethnocentrism and the like have no place in a world which should be guided by the bottom line: MONEY. Business culture is going to replace Western culture and everyone who puts their foot in its way is going to have it cut off and left in the streets to die.

Sit back though, relax, suck on the teet of this new world we are making for ourselves where the top 1% can insulate themselves from the ignorant rabble raging just outside. They don't care about anything but themselves and how much money they are making. If it comes to be that this country, Western culture, or even the entire world must come to shit for their gain, so be it.

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Am I being a cynic by not voting for a "main party candidate" because I just don't like/trust anybody who actually has been in politics for any amount of time.

The truth is that the president really doesn't have as much power as people think they do. All they do is circle jerk with diplomats, and present one or two key items that they used as their running platform/ their party overlords has told them to present.

Does the president pass or deny bills? No, he only has the power to say "hey guys, could you vote for this" or the case of a veto say "are you sure guys? I don't like this so you better be sure"

Nothing more, nothing less.

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The American political system is in shamble anyway, I don't support either candidate but I'd rather see *some* change rather than a continuation of Bush's policies. I don't see much merit in Obama, but since we live in a system where it's better to vote against someone than for someone, I voted Democrat.

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I expect changes to range from non-existent to moderate as far as foreign policy goes. Obama doesn't strike me as someone who is particularly knowledgeable about foreign affairs, so I imagine he'll want to step carefully, which means few changes, at least until he wins the reelection and goes absolutely nuts.

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http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/president/

This little map thing is pretty cool ^

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PA is not a battle ground state? The insane volume of ads I see daily say otherwise.

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I imagine I won't be getting any results until I wake up tomorrow, right? If I want to get some sleep, I mean.

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Quoted from Dimi:
PA is not a battle ground state? The insane volume of ads I see daily say otherwise.

Yeah I thought the same. And NC? Everyone around me is so Red it's not even funny. Though I imagine all the hipster college Obamians are causing the controversy. It will be interesting too see how each state votes.

And just for clarification I didn't vote. I'm not political but I think that flash map is pretty cool. Also the comedy coverage for this election has been grade 'A' great.

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Speaking of battleground states, I'm actually kind of excited that Indiana is considered a battleground state this time around.

So who else had to wait more than half an hour to cast their ballot today? I got to the polls at around 10am and finally got to vote around 11:30am.

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Quoted from mac:
Am I being a cynic by not voting for a "main party candidate" because I just don't like/trust anybody who actually has been in politics for any amount of time.

The truth is that the president really doesn't have as much power as people think they do. All they do is circle jerk with diplomats, and present one or two key items that they used as their running platform/ their party overlords has told them to present.

Does the president pass or deny bills? No, he only has the power to say "hey guys, could you vote for this" or the case of a veto say "are you sure guys? I don't like this so you better be sure"

Nothing more, nothing less.

EDIT: L2 read before posting

Thats how it used to be. I would have voted for either of the main candidates if they had made any claim that they wanted to reduce the power of the presidency to what it was 8 years ago, but I hadn't heard either even mention it.

I was going to do a 3rd party fun vote, but I didn't register in time.

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And just for clarification I didn't vote.

Now this I don't quite understand. I can understand being disillusioned and cynical about American politics (or any politics in general), I am quite supportive of skepticism and doubt, but at the same time, I don't quite understand why you wouldn't vote, even if out of protest of the two-party political mainstream. Even if you did a write-in vote for Big Bird and his running mate, Snuffaluffagus. To just NOT vote seems kinda self-defeating.

If you didn't register in time, so be it, shit happens, but to make a conscious effort to say, "Not going to do it," just seems, frankly, kinda stupid.

edit: Though I guess if you genuinely do not give a shit at all who is elected, not voting can somewhat make sense.

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PA is a huge battle ground state, and I'm pretty sure Virginia is supposed to be one too. That map sucks.

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Quoted from Sandamnit:
Quoted from Harold Sakata:
And just for clarification I didn't vote.
Now this I don't quite understand. I can understand being disillusioned and cynical about American politics (or any politics in general), I am quite supportive of skepticism and doubt, but at the same time, I don't quite understand why you wouldn't vote, even if out of protest of the two-party political mainstream. Even if you did a write-in vote for Big Bird and his running mate, Snuffaluffagus. To just NOT vote seems kinda self-defeating.

If you didn't register in time, so be it, shit happens, but to make a conscious effort to say, "Not going to do it," just seems, frankly, kinda stupid.

edit: Though I guess if you genuinely do not give a shit at all who is elected, not voting can somewhat make sense.

While most people who don't vote do it out of laziness or misdirected cynicism, I wouldn't completely rule out abstention as a legitimate form of protest if your aim is to contribute to a very low turnout, especially in countries where a low turnout can render the whole election void and can therefore trigger a political crisis which might work as a catharsis to achieve some sort of change.

Theoretically. But the vast majority of people who don't vote are just lazy fucks.

EDIT: also, I'm always surprised people actually put up with having to wait that long in order to vote. Few people around here would do it.

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I can see how that would work in elections in smaller countries and smaller communities, such as a mayoral or even gubernatorial election in the smaller populated states, but for a Presidential election in a country as large as the United States, abstention doesn't really seem like a real valid form of protest.

edit: As far as waiting in lines, a lot of people don't put up with it and end up leaving the polls before voting for various reasons. I knew there was going to be a wait, so I was prepared for it so it didn't really bother me. Compared to previous years, it was actually kind of encouraging to see a large line, considering the last two elections I've voted in, I was in and out within five minutes.

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Well yeah, I really don't care. So why go out of my way to do something I really don't care about? I do like all these maps though...

MSNBC:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032553

FOX NEWS:
http://elections.foxnews.com/states_map/index.html

GOOGLE MAPS:
http://maps.google.com/help/maps/elections/#2008_election

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I can see how that would work in elections in smaller countries and smaller communities, such as a mayoral or even gubernatorial election in the smaller populated states, but for a Presidential election in a country as large as the United States, abstention doesn't really seem like a real valid form of protest.

Oh, I don't think it would work, per se. It's just - you know, like when you vote for a third party and people make fun of you for wasting your vote, but you know you did what you had to do in good conscience, and it doesn't matter if other people didn't do the same. You know what I mean?

Not that I've ever done it, though. In the last elections I didn't vote, but that was because I was terribly sick.

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I wouldn't completely rule out abstention as a legitimate form of protest if your aim is to contribute to a very low turnout, especially in countries where a low turnout can render the whole election void and can therefore trigger a political crisis which might work as a catharsis to achieve some sort of change.

There is no such proviso in the US political system so there is no viable political reason not to vote. If your aim is to rail against the two party system, there are plenty of third party candidates to pick from.

To be honest, I don't know what to think about people who don't vote. If you just don't care that's one thing, but people who don't vote and then bitch about the governement bug me as voting is the primary and concrete medium of change in our political system.

As for Obama, I find it kind of sad that the centrist position is now considered Liberal. It really is a sign of the times and a visible symbol of the shift brought about by the previous administration. If Obama wants to institute change, he has the majority of the congress on his side so there isn't much to stop him but even his electin platform has shifted to the center so I don't expect him to do too much. It's really more of a symbolic shift which in the world of politics means a lot. Especially if you look in the long term.

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Quoted from GW_Carver:
As for Obama, I find it kind of sad that the centrist position is now considered Liberal. It really is a sign of the times and a visible symbol of the shift brought about by the previous administration. If Obama wants to institute change, he has the majority of the congress on his side so there isn't much to stop him but even his electin platform has shifted to the center so I don't expect him to do too much. It's really more of a symbolic shift which in the world of politics means a lot. Especially if you look in the long term.

And you can tell the Democrates want it, bad. Just look at the map on google maps showing the past elections! Reagan destroyed it! And so did Bush senior.

Predictions anyone? I say Obama by 2 states.

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I don't vote.

Why? Do you let other's make decisions for you on a continual basis or just once every two years?

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