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(Originally posted on: 09-17-08 01:29:34 PM)
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http://www.grizzlybay.org/SarahPalinInfoPage.htm

This is pretty shitty.

At a time in our nation's history where diplomacy and foreign relations are at their greatest level of importance, do we want a vice president that just got her passport in 2007 for the first time?

I have more foreign policy experience than she does.

This was the biggest thing for me on this site. I wonder if its true or if it just some crazy Alaskan conspiracy nut. I don't know anything about the woman.
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Reply 1 of 63 (Originally posted on: 09-17-08 02:17:18 PM)
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Honestly if this is what it took to convince you that she was a terribly irresponsible choice for VP you are like two weeks behind everyone else
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Reply 2 of 63 (Originally posted on: 09-17-08 02:20:08 PM)
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I was convinced when I found out that she thought that 'Trig' was a good word to call a human being for it's entire life.
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Reply 3 of 63 (Originally posted on: 09-17-08 02:48:30 PM)
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I think the fact that she is hitable material wins my vote!
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Reply 4 of 63 (Originally posted on: 09-17-08 02:49:02 PM)
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Reply 5 of 63 (Originally posted on: 09-17-08 02:52:54 PM)
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yessir, that's what the inside of the White House is gonna look like too.
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Reply 6 of 63 (Originally posted on: 09-17-08 03:02:57 PM)
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Quoted from ice:
Honestly if this is what it took to convince you that she was a terribly irresponsible choice for VP you are like two weeks behind everyone else


I am two weeks behind everyone else really. I read news online three times a week. I don't have cable or direct TV by choice. I don't really like it that much.
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Reply 7 of 63 (Originally posted on: 09-17-08 03:06:07 PM)
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Sounds like she's a Republican.
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Reply 8 of 63 (Originally posted on: 09-17-08 03:24:45 PM)
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I don't understand this "even in cases of incest and rape" business.

Are there people who think killing a fetus is murder, but are cool with it if the circumstances are right? Fucking liberal cunts...
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Reply 9 of 63 (Originally posted on: 09-17-08 03:30:15 PM)
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Generally speaking, it's usually moderates on either side who think abortion is ok when special circumstances are involved.
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Reply 10 of 63 (Originally posted on: 09-17-08 04:01:32 PM)
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I don't understand this "even in cases of incest and rape" business.

Are there people who think killing a fetus is murder, but are cool with it if the circumstances are right? Fucking liberal cunts...


Why should a woman be forced to raise the child of a man who raped her? It isn't like the state is gonna track down the deadbeat that raped her and give custody of the kid to him.

If your wife were raped, would you want to raise that child? I sure as fuck wouldn't.

Granted, adoption is a viable solution - but then it becomes the burden of the state. Conceived through an act of violence and abandoned - how would you like to be told that at the tender age of 5?


I do think that abortion is a necessary evil - however it shouldn't be used as birth control.
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Reply 11 of 63 (Originally posted on: 09-17-08 05:36:44 PM)
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I do think that abortion is a necessary evil - however it shouldn't be used as birth control.

Wholly agreed.
I'm ok with abortion if it's rape or having the kid could be harmful for mother/child. I guess I'm moderate on the issue.
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Reply 12 of 63 (Originally posted on: 09-17-08 07:29:50 PM)
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I don't care if you got raped and your child is going to be retarded and your husband left you and you are a crack head. Its life, life sucks, and that's that.
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Reply 13 of 63 (Originally posted on: 09-17-08 08:03:49 PM)
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I'm for abortion up until the point there is a brain developed enough to support an actual conciousness and hence be a person.
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Reply 14 of 63 (Originally posted on: 09-17-08 08:04:06 PM)
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Quoted from Nickolati:
I do think that abortion is a necessary evil - however it shouldn't be used as birth control.

It's a retarded form of birth control because a single abortion can cost up to $800 whereas a pack of generic oral contraceptives costs maybe $20/month.

I don't see how it is a necessary evil, but obviously some of you are going to disagree with me. The government has no right to tell me what I can do with my body.
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I'm for abortion up until the point there is a brain developed enough to support an actual consciousness and hence be a person.

I agree with this.
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Reply 15 of 63 (Originally posted on: 09-17-08 09:14:35 PM)
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Reply 16 of 63 (Originally posted on: 09-17-08 10:00:27 PM)
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Quoted from Science Brad:
I'm for abortion up until the point there is a brain developed enough to support an actual conciousness and hence be a person.


this is absolutely the only correct way to view this issue and if you disagree you are a paternalist theocrat
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Reply 17 of 63 (Originally posted on: 09-17-08 10:09:09 PM)
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I'm pretty much on the same page. I'm pro-choice, but only to a point. I don't support second or third trimester abortions. If you're that far into term and haven't decided whether you want to have the child, either err on the side of caution and have an abortion during the first trimester or follow through and deal with it via adoption or whatever works best.

Life starting at conception is a pretty loltastic viewpoint though.
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Reply 18 of 63 (Originally posted on: 09-17-08 10:17:25 PM)
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I think if its still attached to you, you can do what the fuck you want with it.

If you wanna pull the plug seconds before the doctor cuts the cord and that thing is out and crying like a bitch, well shit, there's prolly a bonesaw or a hammer or something lying nearby, I mean you're in a doctors office.

I'm also not opposed to early/mid-life abortions, if your kid is 16 and in and out of jail and shit. Abort. If he's a 32 year old loser still living at home with you watching reruns of Battlestar Galactica in what could be your basement. Abort. If your kid puts you in a nursing home because they're too selfish to take care of you in your age of need even though you spent the first 36 years of their lives taking care of their shit. Abort! Abort! Abort!
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Reply 19 of 63 (Originally posted on: 09-18-08 12:14:22 AM)
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i don't feel that abortion should be used as birth control either, but i hate all of the "well...in that situation...." shit.

what about when a woman who is responsibily using birth control gets pregnant? what happens if the child is mentally retarted and the mom doesn't feel she can mentally or physically deal with that kind of burden? because i know i sure as hell wouldn't want to.

personally, i feel that something that can't support itself without being a parasite to my body shouldn't have more rights than me.


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I'm for abortion up until the point there is a brain developed enough to support an actual conciousness and hence be a person.


not that i disagree with you, but at what point, exactly, does this happen?


edit: also, i would like to point out that i'm fairly certain that if men were the ones who had to worry about getting pregnant, carrying a pregnancy for 9 months, missing work, breastfeeding, gaining weight, morning sickness, afterbirth, haivng your body irreparably change, losing 3-5% of your brain, having the entire chemical composition of your body change, worrying about your husband/significant other leave you to raise the kid by yourself, being unable to loose the 100 lbs you gain while pregnant, having swollen ankles and a sore back, having tender breasts, uncontrollable mood swings, being exhausted, actually giving birth, huge needles shoved in your spine, diahhrea, and all of the other dozens of horrible of things that happen when you're pregnant, there would be no fucking question as to whether abortions should be legal or not.
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Reply 20 of 63 (Originally posted on: 09-18-08 02:33:46 AM)
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I agree with Yogi in that if you're pro-life making exceptions for victims of rape makes no sense. Aside from that,
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Reply 21 of 63 (Originally posted on: 09-18-08 08:16:37 AM)
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Quoted from Nickolati:
Quoted from Yogi:
I don't understand this "even in cases of incest and rape" business.

Are there people who think killing a fetus is murder, but are cool with it if the circumstances are right? Fucking liberal cunts...


Why should a woman be forced to raise the child of a man who raped her? It isn't like the state is gonna track down the deadbeat that raped her and give custody of the kid to him.

If your wife were raped, would you want to raise that child? I sure as fuck wouldn't.

Granted, adoption is a viable solution - but then it becomes the burden of the state. Conceived through an act of violence and abandoned - how would you like to be told that at the tender age of 5?


I do think that abortion is a necessary evil - however it shouldn't be used as birth control.


It is fitting that the party which claims how much it cares for the downtrodden and the misfits of society is the same one which is ready to use eugenics to rid society of those "accidents".
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Reply 22 of 63 (Originally posted on: 09-18-08 09:11:42 AM)
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hahaha he just called abortion eugenics
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Reply 23 of 63 (Originally posted on: 09-18-08 09:16:23 AM)
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hahaha he just called abortion eugenics


If the premise of both is the same, why can't I make the deductive argument?
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Reply 24 of 63 (Originally posted on: 09-18-08 10:59:14 AM)
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Quoted from Nickolati:
Quoted from Yogi:
I don't understand this "even in cases of incest and rape" business.

Are there people who think killing a fetus is murder, but are cool with it if the circumstances are right? Fucking liberal cunts...


Why should a woman be forced to raise the child of a man who raped her? It isn't like the state is gonna track down the deadbeat that raped her and give custody of the kid to him.

If your wife were raped, would you want to raise that child? I sure as fuck wouldn't.

Granted, adoption is a viable solution - but then it becomes the burden of the state. Conceived through an act of violence and abandoned - how would you like to be told that at the tender age of 5?


I do think that abortion is a necessary evil - however it shouldn't be used as birth control.


I wasn't arguing against abortion. I just think it's pointless to ridicule someone who thinks life begins at conception for not compromising on their unwillingness to end what they think is a life when rape and incest is in the picture.

For the record, I'm for women having the choice during the first trimester.
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