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Reply 108 of 366 (Originally posted on: 01-25-06 03:12:00 PM)
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Somebody asked me not so long ago why is this forum clinically dead. Now I think I know the right answer. A bunch of underaged teenagers, bitching and spoiling the pleasure of communication with those who are yet normal, that's the reason and the problem.
a) Technically not clinically dead. INTL has never been known to be active. There are many reasons why INTL has and continues to lack activity, lack of new forumers is only one of them. Take into consideration that most of us have other duties in our lives, more than we did when we started to go online. There's also the realization that INTL has no main topic. It's an off-topic forum, and because of that we have to compete with many other off-topic forums. It doesn't help that the conversations in off-topic forums have been discussed over and over again. People begin to see patterns in how debates and discussions typically go, and you have a rise in spam and useless, uninteresting topics.
b) Most of us are no longer 'teenagers.' The average demographic for INTL is about 19-20 years old, and because INTL is a community that does not easily integrate younger forumers (I've tried, and those forumers find themselves isolated), that demographic is slowly rising each year. It shows your ignorance when you refer to those on here as kids or teenagers, or even underaged teenagers (which makes no sense, as how can you be an underaged teenager?) Few people will consider your argument seriously if you degrade them with ad hominem attacks.
c) What is normal for INTL?
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Leave newbs alone, stop that idiotic postcounting unreasonable bitching... I know that's impossible, ppl never change, but... Just try.
I like to imagine that INTL is harsh on newbies because we don't want to have the atypical forumer that lacks personality. I've experienced and observed the forumer who posts and provides nothing new. It doesn't help the community grow. But I like that. Atleast I know who people are on this forum. Not everyone is a name and a post. Newbies who get through the hazing process are known, and become part of the community. INTL takes quality (for bad or good) over quantity, and that is how it should be.
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True to say, I don't give a fuck for myself or for what anybody think of that crooked image of me that is created by my grammar lacking posts.
I'm first going to state that I don't know you. I haven't visited some parts of INTL on a regular basis for a while because I have been trying to sort issues offline. I have heard of you, and seen a few of your posts. I have no bias towards you.
What I can say is the lack of interest/acceptance/love/care/respect is not due to your grammar. INTL has had many forumers who have horrific grammar - while some are picked on sometimes - the ones from non-English countries are not.
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Just look around you people and notice that there is somebody who lives and breathes too, and who does have a right to have an opinion different from yours. Admit it. N.B.: I'm not speaking about myself, for Christ sake!
We notice, and most of us don't care if we don't know them. A faceless person is a bot to those who haven't gotten to know them. Outside of that, it's the internet. Close the window if it hurts you. Move to another website, avoid the internet, or suck it up.
Also, what is this N.B. that I have noticed new forumers use?
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If there still remains someone who doesn't get it, then I can't help. But brain surgery prolly has a chance. That's all.
Ad hominem attacks help so very little.
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And specially for you dear mr. Suckit
Nice punishment there.
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New forumers who stand outside of the clique are treated with indiscrimite disdain and viewed as a welcome outlet for the abuse which for some reason you all generally tend to avoid venting on each other. Now personally, I don't mind this: as anyone who remembers my initial thread will recall, I've got a fairly thick skin, don't take myself particualrly seriously, and keyboard jousting is something I find quite entertaining...but I doubt this is the same for everyone, and the barrage of abuse which almost invariably seems to gravitate towards new people doubtless puts off a number of potentially good forumers who could make things a bit less stale.
I agree, although, attacks on newbies are a reaction to something new instead of the status quo attack against an established member. Radical newbies tend to react more vocally to the typical hazing ritual. It's not as though INTL forumers think about attacking or hazing newbies. It's not as though it's accepted, as the administration is attempting to change that. It's just how we post. Rarely do we treat newbies any different than any established forumer if they posted the same way.
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I had very little drama when I came into the forum. Maybe I'm the only person that actually tried to sneak around until after I lost my newbie avatar.
Imperialist summed it up. Most forumers were easy on you because you knew Sandamnit, and Sandamnit was the reason why you started to visit INTL. It had very little to do with how you posted. I also recall knowing you were Sandamnit's friend when you were starting to post actively.
Then again, what happens when you are a newbie has very little impact once you're an active forumer (ie. Fisher, goatstack)
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Now that Snowy is banned I can say that this thread was devoted to her from the very beginning...
Alright, but there's already enough threads in BB devoted to her.
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And yeah, one more thing. The Bitch who did it is my worst personal enemy from now on. You've killed all the joy of this forum to me, god damn you.
I stand by that bitch this time. She has made a decent case.
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So why don't we all kill ourselves and get permanently banned already? lol. Seriously, Drah, she wasn't all that bad. Stoned - yes, Bitchy - sure, nasty - of course, but neither BAD, nor obnoxious (or whatever) like me. The one who banned her just proved to be weak and touchy, he lost the difference between abuse and irc-chit-chat. Ban her from irc, the hell with it, but never do it on INTL without some well-grounded reason, supported by many. IMHO, She was here enough time to win sufficient respect for not being got rid of as used condom.
She was good at times, and she was bad at times. The entire time she was careless. I do agree a grounded reason is necessary publically, but it's not your rule to determine who stays and who doesn't. I do agree that the moderation is biased, but that is to be expected sometimes.
IRC is also not a part of INTL, and it shouldn't be. It is no different than any other instant messenger.
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I would gladly accept my ban if snowy returns. Because I don't want this forum to become a swamp. And noone does, I guess.
INTL survived without her. It will survive without her. One forumer can't dictate the way a forum will end up turning out. It doesn't work like that for any forum.
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For those who never served in russian army I could tell a bunch of stories narrating of "Grands" (soldiers, who has served more than 1,5 years) beating newbs to death, wiring them to dynamo, torturing them in various ways and so on.
I must admit I don't care about the Russian Army. INTL is not the Russian Army. Your analogy is irrelevant.
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Buddha, are you trying to start a forum rebellion? Because that is a bannable offense.
This is hardly a rebellion, Mmac, and threatening bans does little. Not even for a moderator or an administrator.
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Almost like that except that you don't have sex with Smokey - SMOKEY HAS SEX WITH YOU!
Actually, Smokey tells you to stop acting like Snowy, and you feel degraded for being compared to her.
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fortunately, very few people are willing to stand simply on a legal basis when justifying what they do. why? because obeying the law is not good enough. would you say being a miser or a coward is wrong? because we have a right to be that according to our government, among plenty of other contemptible things. frankly, i'd say the government is bad at regulating morality, and making its fiat the default winner of any moral argument is ludicrous
INTL is not the government, so what is your point? As much as I may dislike it, it's reality that some actions at INTL can be committed, and not held accountable by. It is a risk of being at INTL. I'd be lying if I didn't say I tread it sometimes.
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What the fuck are you talking about Surt?
Surt suggested that what Rich posted might not be the actual chatlog, or a real chatlog at all. Even if it is, it has little use. So she gossips with others off of INTL, not new with any of us.
This reply was last edited on 01-25-06 03:23:58 PM by Sunn O))).
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