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Reply 23 of 177 (Originally posted on: 07-26-05 07:08:15 PM)
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Quoted from Better than those other Girls:
Protecting our people via non-violent means, presently. They were engineers and medical staff.
So, doing jack shit? Yeah, thanks for playing. Doesn't seem like they'd be doing anything violent over there if they were engineers and medical staff.
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Actually it's been proven via the link I provided that America fixed the intelligence on Iraq. It's not speculation anymore. What else do you think they're prepared to do to advance their own goals, if Bush doesnt mind lying to his entire country during a State of the Union address to hype up the fear factor?
That link doesn't say the intelligence was fixed, only that regardless of what happened we were planning to use force, which if you loop back to the whole genocide thing, I'm pretty fucking sure that's acceptable. Honestly, do you think any nation's leaders are always entirely truthful? I don't agree with the way Bush handled the situation, but that really doesn't matter now, does it?
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The NZ government doesnt make weapons of any kind, we buy from other countries.
So you just endorse their research and development by other countries by importing them. Way to keep the moral high ground there.
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And if you read my posts you'll see I acknowledge that this is both a weapon of war and method for controlling the unruly via non-lethal means. It's also apparent that it hasnt been tested on humans a hell of a lot. I guess they can do that when America starts it's next war!
It had three seperate tests on humans and isn't expected to be in any sort of use until AT LEAST 2006, I think there's still more time to test it. It's not like they're mixing a bunch of random chemicals and hoping the gas doesn't kill people. And, oh gee, what's this:
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(keep in mind the HIGHER settings are what will be used during war, which is the primary theatre for this new toy)
SOMETHING'S NOT MESHING.
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Yeah I know, you lot are a violent bunch when afraid.
Firstly, that was Great Britain, not us. Secondly, if your country had just experience incredibly violent terrorist attacks and you were in the midst of another one (admittedly, it was failing), don't you think your police force might use lethal force to bring down someone they thought was trying to harm more civilians, especially, when you lack another good way to bring them down without possible setting off a bomb, effectively bringing their plan to a head? Yeah, probably so. Good way to just go ahead and toss out an insult then act like you've got all the moral high ground.
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[19:18] elysiumfyre: you know, for someone who i was told so much negative crap about..i had actually come to consider you a decent guy on my own
[19:19] elysiumfyre: despite what certain folk told me that poisoned my attitude to you when i first arrived
[19:19] thisnameisfaux: well, when I'm not having my hotbutton pushed, I am.
[19:19] elysiumfyre: well the measure of a person is in how they react under duress
[19:19] thisnameisfaux: that's great.
[19:20] elysiumfyre: nevermind. i liked you. enjoy making political commentary personal.
Gee, sort of seem like by errantly throwing out comments insulting an entire country you're sort of making things personal, you raging cunt. Christ, don't even get me started on "despite what other people had said." Fuck you. If other people don't like me, that's fine, but by God I'm pretty fucking sure that not just a ton of people are going to go around and talk trash about me to some overzealous, hypercritical internet personality.
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It can quite easily become such a device which is what many other articles on the subject extrapolate upon. There are plenty of biological weapons that purport to be non-lethal.
And plenty of them are. Most things, when used without moderation, are lethal. Water is, for Christ's sake.
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The point of my comments is to point out that America is apparently allowed to develop whatever the fuck it likes, lethal and non-lethal, while it conducts unjust wars upon people who can barely defend themselves at the merest hint of such technologies in the hands of those it disapproves of.
We didn't start a fucking war against any people. If you'll recall, we aren't going through slaughtering civilians like those people using "shock tactics" are. We removed someone we believed to be supporting terrorism along with doing plenty of other heinous shit from power.
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I think that is a sound enough comment to be making. Given the fact that your country has continually meddled covertly (and has been caught out many times, plenty of information on the Iran Contra scandal hanging around, or for something more recent and insidious check out America getting busted for trying to fuck with the Carribean energy deals. All documented.) in the affairs of other nations and caused the deaths of tens of thousands of innocent people via these policies (see South America) I dont think America has the right to develop anything it desires. You do not have the moral high ground to make such a call on your own. Not anymore. Checks and balances are needed.
Yeah, because isolationism worked so well when World War II was starting. Oh wai-
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Once again, if you read my posts with a dispassionate eye you'd see me call those people JUST AS EVIL as the urge to keep developing new and more efficient means with which to kill people (this comment is just as valid, even tho the agent provocateur of this article is SUPPOSEDLY non-lethal technology your country is the largest manufactuer of killing weapons in the world and certainly the most willing to use all of that technology to date.
It's not valid. It says nothing about using them lethally. Regardless, developing nonlethal crowd control, YES EVEN NONLETHAL IN WAR, isn't quite on par with blowing innocent people up.
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There was a reason, crazy people were angry with your country and dont have a nice big fat military with which to invade and take you over, so they use shock tactics instead.
Thanks for the imperialism insinuation. If you think that's a valid reason to blow up innocents then you're an idiot.
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Just because we do not agree doesnt mean I am stupid. I dont believe peace can be achieved via war, via silencing your opposition and stepping on the already downtrodden.
Oh. My. God. Way to miss the fucking point. So instead of going after the bastards who did it and their supporters we should just sit back and try to play nice nice. Shut the fuck up, you damn hippy.
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If you'll recall correctly the United States didn't "meddle in the affairs" of some country that had "tiny quantities of anthrax." We were acting under the (false) assumption that they had weapons of mass destruction, besides anthrax.
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It's been proven that America itself fixed the intelligence that said Iraq was an imminent threat.
No, it hasn't. The Downing Street Memo doesn't provide a factual basis for most of what you're claiming. Even if they weren't a threat to us, they were a threat to, say, the Kurds.
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They'd known for years he had sweet fuck all WMD, Bush had seen the intelligence that said this and had already decided he wanted a war. For what reason, if there was a tenuous-at-best link to the WTC bombers? For what reason would he follow a link so vague when the man he ACTUALLY should have been after was considered, and I quote, 'Not very important'. I thought catching the people who killed so many innocent folks was the most important thing, not advancing your own private desire to take over Iraq. Read the memo sometime, try following the link provided earlier.
I read the memo. Nice overextension of the evidence there, chap. Most of the rest of that paragraphy is nonsense gobbledygook, because you're just rehashing something else that wasn't true/ didn't make sense. In case you haven't noticed, taking over Iraq hasn't exactly done much for the U.S. Let's see, our gas prices are up, our military is overextended, and besides civilian contractors (WHO THE FUCK ELSE ARE WE GOING TO USE, PRE-EMPTIVE SHUT UP), no one is making ANY money on this deal.
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Remember how George Bush Senior paid to keep Saddam in power so he'd buy American weapons and fight a 10 year war against Iran? Remember how back then Saddam was just as evil and nobody gave a shit, they actually PAID him to keep doing it? Remember the same thing happened, via the same Bush, with a certain Usama Bin Laden?
Right, so instead of righting a wrong we made in the past, we should just turn out heads while they do even more evil stuff. Good one. Christ, I really hope that you don't avoid righting any wrongs you've made in the past. That's got to be a shitty way to go through life.
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I bet a lot of them are.
It was an estimate. And even then, a lot more people than that were being killed over the years due to just plain heinous shit.
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Maybe bomb me if I keep disagreeing and providing you with uncomfortable facts. Or microwave me into silence 
Again, fuck you.
I got hit in the nuts by one girl and before the pain kicked in I yelled, "Abortion!" and hit her in the stomach.
Doing stuff is overrated. Like Hitler. He did a lot. But don't we all wish he woulda just stayed home and gotten stoned?
LEEROY JENKINS!
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