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(Originally posted on: 02-18-05 08:08:47 PM)
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How many people here have heard Slipknot? If so, do you like them, hate them, and tell me why!

I liked them ever since I heard Duality from their third CD. After that I started listening to their older stuff like Wait and Bleed and Left Behind. So far, my favorite song of theirs is Wait and Bleed.
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Reply 1 of 40 (Originally posted on: 02-18-05 08:53:43 PM)
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you really need to listen to better music.
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Reply 2 of 40 (Originally posted on: 02-18-05 10:08:10 PM)
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Ever heard the quote "One man's treasure is another man's trash"?

Same thing. If you don't like this kind of music, or don't see it for what it is, ok. I happen to like it, as do millions of others.
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Reply 3 of 40 (Originally posted on: 02-18-05 10:09:10 PM)
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I am one of the few metalheads I know who didn't get into Metal through nu bands like Slipknot, Mudvayne, etc. I consider myself lucky.
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Reply 4 of 40 (Originally posted on: 02-18-05 10:40:05 PM)
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Slipknot is pretty terrible by any standards.
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Reply 5 of 40 (Originally posted on: 02-18-05 10:44:23 PM)
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Slipknot is pretty terrible by any standards.


Might I ask thee why?
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Reply 6 of 40 (Originally posted on: 02-18-05 10:49:24 PM)
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Same thing. If you don't like this kind of music, or don't see it for what it is, ok. I happen to like it, as do millions of others.


I am an avid metal fan. I understand Slipknot probably a lot better than you can. Slipknot is stupid dissonant rock music with angry lyrics and a retarded image. they aren't metal. they aren't original in their compositions, nor in their lyrical matter. they are shit.
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Reply 7 of 40 (Originally posted on: 02-18-05 11:02:35 PM)
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Same thing. If you don't like this kind of music, or don't see it for what it is, ok. I happen to like it, as do millions of others.


I understand Slipknot probably a lot better than you can. .


Don't condescend.
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Reply 8 of 40 (Originally posted on: 02-18-05 11:05:07 PM)
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I'll condescend when needed. Shut the fuck up.
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Reply 9 of 40 (Originally posted on: 02-18-05 11:11:11 PM)
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Quoted from Bon:
I'll condescend when needed. Shut the fuck up.


I don't want to start a flame war with you. Just don't be asinine.

If you hate Slipknot so much, what kind of metal do you like?
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Reply 10 of 40 (Originally posted on: 02-18-05 11:15:44 PM)
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I like Death and Black Metal.

You like rock music, not metal.
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Reply 11 of 40 (Originally posted on: 02-18-05 11:20:48 PM)
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Ozzy Osbourne I like a lot, same for most of the other bands people would consider hard rock.

I like most other genres of music except for country and something called "new wave". Some goth thing, most likely.

Ever heard of Cradle of Filth or Disturbed?

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You like rock music, not metal.


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Reply 12 of 40 (Originally posted on: 02-18-05 11:23:52 PM)
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Put that stuff away. Ozzy Osbourne was never good alone, and Black Sabbath was okay. Listen to Altars of Madness by Morbid Angel.
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Reply 13 of 40 (Originally posted on: 02-18-05 11:28:03 PM)
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Quoted from Bon:
Put that stuff away. Ozzy Osbourne was never good alone, and Black Sabbath was okay. Listen to Altars of Madness by Morbid Angel.


I heard Suffocation and Maze of Torment by Morbid Angel not too long ago. I thought they were pretty good. Didn't they come out with Altars of Madness in the '80s or something?
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Reply 14 of 40 (Originally posted on: 02-18-05 11:31:43 PM)
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Yes they did. Their first 2-3 albums I consider the best music made by people with guitars and drums.
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Reply 15 of 40 (Originally posted on: 02-18-05 11:34:55 PM)
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I'll have to listen to them again. My brother is a big fan of early metal and has most of the older bands covers and best albums.
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Reply 16 of 40 (Originally posted on: 02-19-05 12:35:54 AM)
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I think I could get along very well with this Bon fellow.
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Reply 17 of 40 (Originally posted on: 02-19-05 12:42:55 AM)
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Reply 18 of 40 (Originally posted on: 02-19-05 09:57:00 AM)
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There are so many different sub metal genres.

Slipknot I would consider more nu-metal, although they are definitely the better of the nu-metal.

Metal would be stuff like Amorphis, Children of Bodom, and In Flames.

Black Metal consists of stuff like Zyklon.

I am much more into hardcore than metal, but that is my take on the debate.
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Reply 19 of 40 (Originally posted on: 02-19-05 11:55:47 AM)
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Slipknot is fucking good, I don't care what bon's crappy opinions say. The drummer, regardless of what people say, is fast as shit and talented. The guitarists are tight and some of the shapes and patterns they use for sweeps on the third CD are impressive, especially for this style of music.

Plus they're heavy as balls and have ridiculous breakdowns.

Combine all that with a live show that rivals Gwar for strange asthetics and energy, and you've got a fun time.

Who cares about the masks? Being hung up on the fact that they wear masks and dress funny is like being hung up on the fact that Norwegian bands wear corpse paint and carry around axes while talking about Satan. At least Slipknot's appealed to a demographic that allows them to be rich as shit.
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Reply 20 of 40 (Originally posted on: 02-19-05 12:23:27 PM)
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At least Slipknot's appealed to a demographic that allows them to be rich as shit.


I don't have any other real comment than this... I don't personally like Slipknot. In fact, I don't even cross into metal or heavy rock pretty much ever.

But this! This appealing to a demographic of suburban white teenagers is not something that I really respect that much. I find that they have the most money to squander on music but the least taste. Appealing to a group of people with very little musical knowledge does not seem to me to be a strong point on the part of a band.

However, considering my respect for PR and HIS musical knowledge, who am I to say?
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Reply 21 of 40 (Originally posted on: 02-19-05 01:09:12 PM)
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Slipknot is fucking good The drummer, regardless of what people say, is fast as shit and talented. The guitarists are tight and some of the shapes and patterns they use for sweeps on the third CD are impressive, especially for this style of music.

Plus they're heavy as balls and have ridiculous breakdowns.

Combine all that with a live show that rivals Gwar for strange asthetics and energy, and you've got a fun time.

Who cares about the masks? Being hung up on the fact that they wear masks and dress funny is like being hung up on the fact that Norwegian bands wear corpse paint and carry around axes while talking about Satan. At least Slipknot's appealed to a demographic that allows them to be rich as shit.


Exactly.

They have great stage presence as well. You can't ignore Corey Taylor's vocals at all, nor can you tune out Jordison's bass and snare. They're all insane, but at least they know how to make a good disc and make people rock out. After I listen to them, I always feel amped up and ready to go, no matter what. Energetic AND talented. We need more bands like that.

And about the masks, they're just making a statement about themselves without words. Those masks are self-made and are pretty symbolic and change as the band matures. Take Joey Jordison for example; the reason he wears his Kabuki (theatrical Japanese) mask is because it's solid patterns and austere expression suit his personality well, and if you listen to him talk, its true. Just thought I'd add that.

They are also closer, I think, to early metal than most people suspect. But thats another story. What matters is that they are fucking good and as long as they keep pumping out music that lives up to their older CDs, people will continue to listen and have a good time.
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Reply 22 of 40 (Originally posted on: 02-19-05 04:24:05 PM)
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I am not going to follow the general rule that this band sucks mearly due to it's weirdness and my lack of exposure to their music.

I have never really listened to them.

However, the shallow judgements that I have made about Slipknot have definately lead me to believe that they are not my type of band.
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Reply 23 of 40 (Originally posted on: 02-19-05 04:36:30 PM)
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They are also closer, I think, to early metal than most people suspect. But thats another story.


Do continue, oh master of rock! I'd love to see where you go with this!

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Reply 24 of 40 (Originally posted on: 02-19-05 06:33:07 PM)
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I'll condescend when needed. Shut the fuck up.


Hey mister elitist black metal nerd, quit that, that's the game I used to play and it's for losers! People are going to listen to crummy trashy metal, and music in general, and there's nothing you can do about that. "You need to listen to better music" - what, like what you listen to or approve of? That's not cool man! vvvvvvvvvvvvvvv

That said, I personally think Slipknot are awful, but they certainly do get a lot of kids into more "extreme" music so it ain't all bad imho.

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Black Metal consists of stuff like Zyklon.



Zyklon isn't black metal, duder. Sure, Samoth from Emperor is in the band, but that doesn't make them black metal by a long shot. His old project Zyklon-B however was black metal. It was really bad too though!

Second edit: Bon, didn't you start listening to BM only fairly recently? I seem to recall talking on AIM about it not TOO long ago...

Third edit: man, I can't keep away from metal threads, even though I rarely listen to it any more.
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