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(Originally posted on: 07-13-04 01:33:34 PM)
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Abstinence is the answer!!!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/3885629.stm

The president believes it, so it has to be true...
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The Bush administration advocates sexual abstinence as the best way to stop the disease spreading...The administration has a stipulation that 30% of US anti-Aids funds go through faith-based organisations (which do not support the use of condoms).


God knows, telling young people not to have sex has worked wonders in the past. Just ask the Pope. omg yah rite fag lol

Quoted from someone who actually knows what the hell they are talking about, US Congresswoman Barbara Lee:
"In an age where five million people are newly infected each year, and women and girls too often do not have the choice to abstain, an abstinence-until-marriage programme is not only irresponsible, it's really inhumane."

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Reply 1 of 53 (Originally posted on: 07-13-04 02:00:01 PM)
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What do you expect when borderline fundies control the government? At times I wish the UN were more powerful on its own, so it could slap the US upside its metaphorical head.
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Reply 2 of 53 (Originally posted on: 07-13-04 02:07:18 PM)
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Abstinence?!

Now you tell me!
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Reply 3 of 53 (Originally posted on: 07-13-04 02:09:22 PM)
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reminds me of this part in the da vinci code that discusses how sex went from a celebration of life to a bad thing.
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Reply 4 of 53 (Originally posted on: 07-13-04 02:21:27 PM)
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are you people actually disputing that abstinence is the best way to avoid std's?
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Reply 5 of 53 (Originally posted on: 07-13-04 02:24:10 PM)
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are you people actually disputing that abstinence is the best way to avoid std's?


no, they are disbuting it as the least believable alternative.

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Reply 6 of 53 (Originally posted on: 07-13-04 02:27:09 PM)
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are you people actually disputing that abstinence is the best way to avoid std's?

No. I'm saying that recommending abstinence, while denying the delivery of condoms to African countries, is a completely inaffective way to go about stopping AIDS.

The problem is ignorance, not abstinence.
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Reply 7 of 53 (Originally posted on: 07-13-04 02:27:55 PM)
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so, instead of massive anti-smoking campaigns; should we be focusing on a device that prevents cancer for 95% of the people who use it? no one seems to care that they're being told to not smoke. what's the difference in being told to not fuck?
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Reply 8 of 53 (Originally posted on: 07-13-04 02:30:25 PM)
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omg yah rite fag lol All they need to do is shoot everyone in America with HIV. Or, ship them off to a small island in the Pacific, and call it "AIDSTOPIA"
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Reply 9 of 53 (Originally posted on: 07-13-04 02:31:17 PM)
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Quoted from awkward jimmy:
are you people actually disputing that abstinence is the best way to avoid std's?


The argument isn't if abstinence isn't the best method. However, to assume everyone on the planet is going to abstain from sex before marriage is infinitely wishful thinking. People will have sex before marriage, it's just a fact of life. A wide majority will, and I'm pretty sure the argument is that the governments should play too the majority and teach safe sex alongside no sex.
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Reply 10 of 53 (Originally posted on: 07-13-04 02:32:59 PM)
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Quoted from awkward jimmy:
so, instead of massive anti-smoking campaigns; should we be focusing on a device that prevents cancer for 95% of the people who use it? no one seems to care that they're being told to not smoke. what's the difference in being told to not fuck?


exactly, people will do it no matter how much the government tells them not too. they might as well make it safer.
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Reply 11 of 53 (Originally posted on: 07-13-04 02:43:37 PM)
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Quoted from awkward jimmy:
so, instead of massive anti-smoking campaigns; should we be focusing on a device that prevents cancer for 95% of the people who use it? no one seems to care that they're being told to not smoke. what's the difference in being told to not fuck?


Except that's it's proven that anti-smoking campaigns reduce smoking. Anti-sex campaigns increase sex, STDs and teen pregnancies. Look at countries like Germany, France and The Netherlands. They promote safe sex and have much better sexual education than the United States. The rate of teen pregnancies, abortions and STD transmission in those countries are also 9 times less than that of the United States.

The whole "sex is taboo and dirty, abstinence++" mentality is just unhealthy for this country.
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Reply 12 of 53 (Originally posted on: 07-13-04 03:08:56 PM)
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so, instead of massive anti-smoking campaigns; should we be focusing on a device that prevents cancer for 95% of the people who use it? no one seems to care that they're being told to not smoke. what's the difference in being told to not fuck?



And what an analogy!!!

Comparing something which kills up to 2/3's of its users, with sex, something which in 99.99999% of cases WON'T KILL YOU!

How about promoting sexual KNOWLEDGE, or perhaps testing, or safe sex combined with those two!


Smoking is entirely unnecessary, and a bad habit. Sexual expression is hard-wired into our brains.
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Reply 13 of 53 (Originally posted on: 07-13-04 04:30:20 PM)
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abstinence is effective sure...for the few people who want to NOT have sex. it's not that it isn't effective, it's that PEOPLE LIKE TO BONE.


but its not like jimmy=idiot is news, either.
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Reply 14 of 53 (Originally posted on: 07-13-04 06:48:45 PM)
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Quoted from sobriquet:
reminds me of this part in the da vinci code that discusses how sex went from a celebration of life to a bad thing

The sex rite, Hieros Gamos.
Yea, sex used to be regarded as the divine communion... a method of communicating with God and creating life.

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Reply 15 of 53 (Originally posted on: 07-13-04 06:51:06 PM)
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I choose abstinence by force, not by volunteer MAGUSMAGUSMAGUSMAGUS

fake edit: I also agree with Tazzo. AIDSTOPIA sounds like a hot vacation spot.
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Reply 16 of 53 (Originally posted on: 07-13-04 07:05:01 PM)
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fake edit: I also agree with Tazzo. AIDSTOPIA sounds like a hot vacation spot.


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Reply 17 of 53 (Originally posted on: 07-13-04 07:20:13 PM)
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You know what's really cool? Pointing out everything the Bush administration does!! cuz its not liek we didnt expect him too.
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Reply 18 of 53 (Originally posted on: 07-13-04 07:43:48 PM)
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Quoted from uselessinformation:
Quoted from Sandamnit:
fake edit: I also agree with Tazzo. AIDSTOPIA sounds like a hot vacation spot.


Betcha it's easy to get laid there.

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Reply 19 of 53 (Originally posted on: 07-13-04 08:50:20 PM)
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Condoms and abstinence are taught to kids at such a young age they both seem lame...seeing as the advice is coming from adults. Clearly there needs to be a cartoon duo staring a 13 year old devoted christian and a giant talking condom.
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Reply 20 of 53 (Originally posted on: 07-13-04 09:51:27 PM)
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i'd like to see the "proof" that anti-smoking campaigns decrease smokers, and that anti-sex campaigns increase sexual activity.
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Reply 21 of 53 (Originally posted on: 07-13-04 10:12:05 PM)
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i'd like to see the "proof" that anti-smoking campaigns decrease smokers, and that anti-sex campaigns increase sexual activity.


http://www.gaspforair.org/gasp/gedc/artcl-new.php?ID=105

http://www.advocatesforyouth.org/publications/factsheet/fsest.htm
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Reply 22 of 53 (Originally posted on: 07-13-04 11:28:15 PM)
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Quoted from kayte:
abstinence is effective sure...for the few people who want to NOT have sex. it's not that it isn't effective, it's that PEOPLE LIKE TO BONE.


but its not like jimmy=idiot is news, either.


hey retard, some people (your fucking tool of a boyfriend) like to smoke, too...EVEN THOUGH THEY KNOW THERE IS A RISK FOR CANCER. pull your head out of your fat, saggy ass.

for all you people saying that the administration is retarded for promoting the only 100% certain way to remain free of STD's, take a look at the people who get the disease instead of the people trying to stop it. it's the fucking tool who throws caution to the wind and fucks 9 girls unprotected that needs to be ridiculed, not the people telling him how he can NEVER EVER have to worry about it. if sex with someone you trust is too hard for you to come by, maybe you shouldn't be doing it in the first place. you want to take your chances and wind up with the clap, that's great. don't make fun of the people who are trying to help you, then.
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Reply 23 of 53 (Originally posted on: 07-13-04 11:40:41 PM)
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Quoted from awkward jimmy:
Quoted from kayte:
abstinence is effective sure...for the few people who want to NOT have sex. it's not that it isn't effective, it's that PEOPLE LIKE TO BONE.


but its not like jimmy=idiot is news, either.


hey retard, some people (your fucking tool of a boyfriend) like to smoke, too...EVEN THOUGH THEY KNOW THERE IS A RISK FOR CANCER. pull your head out of your fat, saggy ass.

for all you people saying that the administration is retarded for promoting the only 100% certain way to remain free of STD's, take a look at the people who get the disease instead of the people trying to stop it. it's the fucking tool who throws caution to the wind and fucks 9 girls unprotected that needs to be ridiculed, not the people telling him how he can NEVER EVER have to worry about it. if sex with someone you trust is too hard for you to come by, maybe you shouldn't be doing it in the first place. you want to take your chances and wind up with the clap, that's great. don't make fun of the people who are trying to help you, then.




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Reply 24 of 53 (Originally posted on: 07-13-04 11:42:58 PM)
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i'm not sure if this is meant to counter or support my statement. the point is that *sometimes* doing what feels good (unprotected sex with a stranger, nicotine buzz) can have negative effects. sometimes, what's good for you in the long run isn't the most pleasant solution. the more this generation understands that you can't just do whatever feels good and expect to live to be 100, the better off they'll be.
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