United States of America - Egocentric Country?



Username [Register?]: \| Password [Lost Password?]: Save Password?

Bottom of Page

INTL v5.0 > Site Comments > Archives > The Hall of Shame > United States of America - Egocentric Country? > Viewing Thread
Also Here: 1 guest.
Page: [ 1 2 3 4 ]	[ Thread Views: 12436 \| Total Posts: 89 ]
Rate This Thread:	Reply to Thread \| Create New Thread \| Create New Poll \| Subscribe To Thread

abused
i done told you once bitch

Looks and acts like a douche-bag

Ballkicks: (+820 / -208)
Posts: 689 (0.103)
Reg. Date: Dec 2002
Location: Kenya
Gender: Female

Instead of hijacking the other thread, we can start it here.
Do you consider the USA to be an egocentric country. Why or why not? Moreso than other countries? Why or why not?

EDIT --> Oh, and for those uncertain people:
Dictionary.com says:

Quote:
1. having or regarding the self or the individual as the center of all things: an egocentric philosophy that ignores social causes.
2. having little or no regard for interests, beliefs, or attitudes other than one's own; self-centered: an egocentric person; egocentric demands upon the time and patience of others.

_____

From other thread...

I've arrived at that conclusion by interacting with many Americans. I've spent a summer working in the USA and although it was a pleasant experience and I enjoyed the people, there was little reference to anything non-American. There is mostly all American music, movies and entertainment. The media reports pretty well only American things and things that affect Americans. So I'm sure both A and B (I don't like Stephen Colbert) played a part as well, but America (at least compared to Canada) is extremely egocentric. I can provide some specific examples if you would like.

"Hey there, Fancypants. Play the songs that make us dance. Play the tunes that make the ladies swoon. A song for all the lonely hearts, shattered dreams and broken parts. It feels like sunny days are coming soon."

atlas sighed (at me)
User is currently banned until further notice.

Quote:
having little or no regard for interests, beliefs, or attitudes other than one's own; self-centered: an egocentric person; egocentric demands upon the time and patience of others.

All nations have this same, self-centered belief. Whether they are making treaties or breaking treaties, they do it for the same reason; the belief that it is somehow benefiting themselves.

To say that America somehow does it more is like saying oriental people are somehow more intelligent; its all based on stereotypes, generalizations, and hasty assumptions.

A witty saying proves nothing - Voltaires

Hoff
Lightnin' Hopkins

Helping a brother out.

Ballkicks: (+192 / -38)
Posts: 2563 (0.46)
Reg. Date: Jan 2006
Location:
Gender: Male

Are you asking if America is egocentric about America? Or if Americans are egocentric about themselves?

abused
i done told you once bitch

Looks and acts like a douche-bag

Ballkicks: (+820 / -208)
Posts: 689 (0.103)
Reg. Date: Dec 2002
Location: Kenya
Gender: Female

Quoted from Hoff:
Are you asking if America is egocentric about America? Or if Americans are egocentric about themselves?

Open to interpretation LOL IM SUCH A FAG!!

Pertti Susilainen
Head Priest

mr. sukkit

Ballkicks: (+924 / -57)
Posts: 7104 (1.06)
Reg. Date: Dec 2002
Location: Mayrit
Gender: Male

Yes, America is an egocentric country, more so than any other countries, save the likes of North Korea. However, I think there's an explanation to this.

What people find interesting is determined by how important something is, by how much they're affected by it and by how much they can relate to it. Because of that, local stuff is interesting, and you don't expect people from place A to be interested by what happens in place B, 1500 Km. away, unless it's a big thing - but that same people will be interested by all sorts of inane stuff going on at place A.

Now, in Europe people are somewhat interested in American politics because, after all, they have a global impact. But in the US, that is still national politics. Therefore, there's relatively little that has a global impact and that doesn't affect them first and foremost as American citizens.

But when something big enough happens (p.eg. Tsunami), they care just as much as Europeans.

Are they egocentric? Yes. More than other comparable countries? Probably. Too egocentric even considering what I just said? Personally, I think so, if I have to judge by how world politics threads fail in SD.

Ðonne onwæcneð eft wineleas guma, gesihð him biforan fealwe wegas, baþian brimfuglas, brædan feþra, hreosan hrim ond snaw hagle gemenged. Þonne beoð þy hefigran heortan benne, sare æfter swæsne. Sorg bið geniwad þonne maga gemynd mod geondhweorfeð, greteð gliwstafum, georne geondsceawað secga geseldan; swimmað oft on weg. Fleotendra ferð no þær fela bringeð cuðra cwidegiedda.
The Wanderer, l. 45-55a

Widukind
MARCHINTOCH SI 4 DA FAGZZZZ

M/F? No one knows

Ballkicks: (+126 / -166)
Posts: 865 (0.132)
Reg. Date: May 2003
Location: Quebec
Gender: Unspecified

God forbid a country looks out for it's citizens...

Pertti Susilainen
Head Priest

mr. sukkit

Ballkicks: (+924 / -57)
Posts: 7104 (1.06)
Reg. Date: Dec 2002
Location: Mayrit
Gender: Male

Now that I read Widukind's reply, I see the question from a slightly different point of view. The refusal to participate on international endeavors (international courts, Kyoto agreements, etc) and the fact that many if not most Americans believe that sort of individualism is the way to go, and that their country should ultimately do whatever the government thinks is best for the country, without any regard to third parties... All that could be interpreted as particularly egoistic.

D
Sticks \vs/ Drums
Ñ…Ð¾Ñ‡Ñƒ ÑÐ¿Ð°Ñ‚ÑŒ

i didn't have the strength to get it all the way off

Ballkicks: (+1952 / -91)
Posts: 18505 (2.655)
Reg. Date: Mar 2002
Location:
Gender: Male

I pretty much agree with Sukkit (in his first post). I was gonna try and explain but I decided I didn't feel like it. Then Sukkit did it for me.

Only thing about it I want to comment on is:

Quote:
Too egocentric even considering what I just said? Personally, I think so, if I have to judge by how world politics threads fail in SD.

While that maybe true, I don't think its untrue for most of the rest of the world. The US maybe more egocentric than the other countries, as far as I can tell because of the reasons Sukkit said. But then also a little bit more out of human nature. The rest of the world does it too.

"They could have grown up to become Hitler....collectively." - Ztolk's creepy Flash man

KaosDeath
INTL Premium Member

literally believes that communism works

Ballkicks: (+70 / -32)
Posts: 247 (0.046)
Reg. Date: Aug 2006
Location:
Gender: Unspecified

I don't think egocentric is quite the correct term, but it is close. I think we as Americans are complacent and self-important. Especially when it comes to things that disrupt our way of life. The cost of a barrel of oil, attacks on American soil, foreign travelers, etc...

Quoted from American Constitution preamble:
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

The preamble explains the rationale of our constitution. Our country was not founded by kings or emperors but instead it was founded by the people themselves. America is the only country I am aware of to have done this. Correct me if I'm wrong.

C
Administrator

Level 90 Ginger

Ballkicks: (+723 / -204)
Posts: 6647 (0.967)
Reg. Date: Jun 2002
Location: Missouri
Gender: Male

i pretty much don't care about other countries, bomb em all i say

Realize that falling in love with someone is just the results of a series of generic events that can occur between you and basically anyone who meets your standards of attractiveness. It's just an emotional manifestation of a handfull of chemicals bouncing back and forth. It's not the holy grail of living, it's not your reason to exist and it's definitely not something reserved for "that one person". Accept that you are just an animal with a big brain that allows him to fret over what only amounts to a game of hormone pool. What you're feeling is not your soul dying a gurgling, ugly death, but withdrawal. All the happy chemicals that saturated your body when you were with her are kicking out cold turkey, and your body is screaming bloody murder, where are my fucking endorphins? It's just chocolate. Find a new bar.

atlas sighed (at me)
User is currently banned until further notice.

Quoted from Sukkit:
do whatever the government thinks is best for the country, without any regard to third parties

Most of the nations around North Korea (good ol' Uncle Sam included) demand things which would bring about an end to its autonomy. Therefore, it refuses to cooperate.

Is it still egoistical?

A witty saying proves nothing - Voltaires

Snowy
INTL Premium Member

i always try to make a statement with my fashion...thats why today i wore a crop top with a pic of richard nixon captioned: growl at sweat

Ballkicks: (+899 / -313)
Posts: 5399 (0.915)
Reg. Date: Feb 2005
Location: Antipodes
Gender: Female

America is a beautiful country allowing itself to be ruled by corporate and religious interests.

Useless little atoms are burning all the bridges

Squareknight
I will never be independant

XX_mira_fan_Xx

Ballkicks: (+181 / -100)
Posts: 1140 (0.165)
Reg. Date: May 2002
Location: Minnesota
Gender: Female

What about Canadians who think they're the greatest things on the planets (at least better than those smelly ogres to the south!), Europeans who think they're the only shining beacon of good in the world?

Considering the alarming levels of Anglosphere nationalism and European/South American bigotry to the US I dont take a lot of evaluations of the US very seriously.

Quote:
corporate and religious interests.

Mormons and Fundimentalists outbreed just about everyone in the US. THey're the ones that vote fundimentalists into office.

Sixten Sparre
Épater la bourgeoisie

wears neckerchiefs

Ballkicks: (+1184 / -307)
Posts: 4672 (0.688)
Reg. Date: Sep 2002
Location: Funen Island
Gender: Male

All big nations only care about themselves, see big countries like USA or china, ofcourse they are more egoistic than other nations....

I live in a small european nation, and in europe we are used to interact with other nations....in the news there is indland and udland....We are used to check out foreign cultures.....USA only got themselves, and then maybe mexico, and Canada has more and bigger ties to Europa, and probably have some of our european colonialism interest for the whole world in em'

Tough, Unique, Bad, Bodacious, and Sassy.

Hoff
Lightnin' Hopkins

Helping a brother out.

Ballkicks: (+192 / -38)
Posts: 2563 (0.46)
Reg. Date: Jan 2006
Location:
Gender: Male

Ok, say you take all of europe's little countries, put them together and look at europe as a whole. Are Americans more egotistical about American than Europeans are about Europe?

Hasty Penguin
get in the box
People are a danger to society.

there is a guy who gets it on with three girls at once and they all have amazing unibrows

Ballkicks: (+1307 / -46)
Posts: 5641 (0.815)
Reg. Date: May 2002
Location: murderbarn
Gender: Male

Quoted from Surt:
All big nations only care about themselves, see big countries like USA or china, ofcourse they are more egoistic than other nations....

I would say Canada is like this as well. We're constantly fed advertisements that ask us to make ourselves better and improv ourselves and our lives via products and personal change. Even in movies - who cares how many people die? As long as the hero and their friends live, it's all good.

We don't cry when the bad guy dies in a Disney Movie. We never get their story, just that they're bad.

I'm off on a tangent. Point is, we're egocentric, person to person and its our own fault.

"One time I spilled ice cream on my pants and we had to throw them out."
"Last night I fell asleep, and when I woke up, my room was a black and white movie."
Theatre on the Edge
My Musical Compositions
The Hunger Site

Acheron
INTL Premium Member
If I die in Raleigh, at least I will die free.

is this guy acheron???????? hahaha acheron you big fag

Ballkicks: (+224 / -116)
Posts: 1538 (0.247)
Reg. Date: Mar 2004
Location: Miami
Gender: Male

Yes, Hoff. We are. America hasn't been invaded or bombed in recent memory, Well, save for 9/11.

But losing 3000 lives certainly doesn't compare to the total destruction of most of your cities. There are still bombed out buildings across europe that serve as a reminder of WWII, not to mention concentration camps. That kind of legacy is very humbling.

In America, we look at 9/11 and Pearl Harbor, and think that "Oh look, we got bombed, lost some people, and then completely destroyed entire nations in response. We kick ass."

While this isn't the opinion of many soldiers or the intelligentsia, it's certainly the view of the unwashed masses. Maybe if we paid attention to teaching things like critical thinking, we'd have less assholes, but you're right that the majority of Americans are assholes.

For example, at Macy's I worked with an Iranian woman named Surir (sur-EAR). An obvious W.A.S.P. attempted to practice spanish on her, thinking she was Cuban or Mexican. This was the rest of the conversation I observed:

Surir: I don't speak spanish.
DumbBitch: Where are you from?
Surir: I am from Iran.
DumbBitch: Are you a muslim?
Surir: Yes.
DumbBitch: Are you a terrorist.
Surir: *Laughter* No.
DumbBitch: Oh... Ok...

The woman then stalked off looking suspiciously at Surir. And this is typical of dumb, uneducated Americans with no talent for critical thinking.

Now certainly, other nations have their idiots too. I'm not going to judge all of say, New Zealand, because I meet one closed minded Kiwi. But there are closed minded Kiwis, I'm assuming, just like there are closed minded Mexicans, Britons, Germans, Russians, Swiss, you name it, there are idiots and ignoramousses from the nation.

It's just that America has the problem of not really educating its people like most western nations at least attempt to do. I think we're ranked just behind Estonia for edcuational excellence. There are several second world african nations that beat us.

One of the reasons that we've grown so strong in the past century is that after WWII the GI bill sent literally millions of people who would have otherwise been unable to persue higher education to college. Science, industry, and technology exploded thanks to WWII vets.

Now we're squandering what we've been given because highschool education is worse than it has been since the ninteenth century. Very few people are able to go to anything but vocational schools, and while voc schools are fine, they don't do much to improve critical thinking and citizenship capabilities like highschool should.

Now, I'm probably wrong about all of this because I have no training in sociology, but this is my take on the problem.

By the way, I've met as many egocentric assholes from western Canada percentage wise as I've met egocentric assholes from the U.S. And I think this has to do with the same lack of a dark, violent, legacy that's constantly in our faces when we think about history and geography.

All the big wars happened "Over There."

"Now and then we had a hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be pirates."
-Mark Twain

atlas sighed (at me)
User is currently banned until further notice.

Quote:
That kind of legacy is very humbling.

No it's not.

(Western) Europeans are among the most snobby, egotistical people on the face of the planet. They have this whole "nostalgia" of the past greatness and contributions they have given to this world. They see themselves as the 'Enlightened' Paragon of equality and freedom and self-righteous point out how much more 'equal' economically their citizenry are and how bluntly aggressive and self-serving America is while shamelessly using Eastern Europeans for their own advantage. Not only that, but their leaders support Middle Eastern leaders who abuse and disenfranchise their people not because they care about those nations, but because it reduces petroleum costs. And their food and money donations to those backwards and corrupt African regimes? Why, what better way to make yourself look good than helping to clean up the mess you created!

Sorry to break it too you, but the buck doesn't stop in America.

A witty saying proves nothing - Voltaires

Mr Excitable
INTL Premium Member
My girlfriend is the Michelin Man

Ballkicks: (+514 / -60)
Posts: 3218 (0.483)
Reg. Date: Jan 2003
Location:
Gender: Male

Canada isnt egocentric? Fuck get out from under the rock. Canada struts its own egocentric attitude, which is greeted with the attitude of "who cares about Canada" And we can haggle an argue about both sides. The fact is people are egocentric and cunts all over the world.

Mingan
INTL Alumni
Mmm Skyscraper I Love You

Why are we having this wedding? because Abraham Lincoln, of course!

Ballkicks: (+637 / -48)
Posts: 3444 (0.497)
Reg. Date: May 2002
Location: Amsterdamned
Gender: Male

Quoted from Mr Excitable:
The fact is people are egocentric and cunts all over the world.

True, but the problem here is that the average american is exceptionally ignorant of this fact, and gets offended when you point it out.

Wireless Muppet, of Strings and Ribbonwax

Socrateius
Robobear 3000

homersexual

Ballkicks: (+611 / -49)
Posts: 2801 (0.409)
Reg. Date: Jul 2002
Location:
Gender: Male

They are, but it's also partially due to the fact that we're probably almost a hyperpower at this point. The US is egocentric because it controls a massive empire and influences the world greatly. It's like Romans being egocentric, it's not like it doesn't have a degree of logic to it. Shit that happens in the US is important because the US is an important country.

If you get offended by this because America really isn't a great country and every country deserves equal attention by anyone I don't really fucking care, so don't go bitching at me about it because I'll just ignore you. Plus, it's not like I actually fucking care about how powerful my country is, I don't have an absurd nationalistic view of my country that somehow links my own self-worth to the success of the country I was randomly born into.

HeavenGaymes hahaha gay mes

"Being tackled is fun cause its like getting a great big hug from a strong guy. You get to lose yourself in his arms...It only hurts when they let go MAGUSMAGUSMAGUSMAGUS

" - Shady Milkman

"I'm not even sure if believe in abortions period...but man do I hate retards" - Dimitrios

Sixten Sparre
Épater la bourgeoisie

wears neckerchiefs

Ballkicks: (+1184 / -307)
Posts: 4672 (0.688)
Reg. Date: Sep 2002
Location: Funen Island
Gender: Male

Quoted from vissario:
And you arrived at this conclusion through:

a) hasty generalization
b) popular ignorance
or
c) the Colbert Report is an accurate discription of the U.S.

Quoted from vissario:
I feel that we all should not hold other human beings to our own standards and should instead let them exist on their own. The only time I would "hate" another person is when they deny me the ability to continue existing cooperatively with society.

Is Adam denying you anything?

because else, he should be allowed to his opinion.

Tough, Unique, Bad, Bodacious, and Sassy.

Awenydd
Fast and bulbous.

Indecipherable String Band

Ballkicks: (+24 / -2)
Posts: 123 (0.024)
Reg. Date: Jan 2007
Location: craggy island
Gender: Male

Quote:
And their food and money donations to those backwards and corrupt African regimes? Why, what better way to make yourself look good than helping to clean up the mess you created!

Alternatively, we could do absolutely nothing and blame someone other than ourselves for the state of the world today. Would sir prefer this option?

Squareknight
I will never be independant

XX_mira_fan_Xx

Ballkicks: (+181 / -100)
Posts: 1140 (0.165)
Reg. Date: May 2002
Location: Minnesota
Gender: Female

Quoted from Mingan:
Quoted from Mr Excitable:
The fact is people are egocentric and cunts all over the world.
True, but the problem here is that the average american is exceptionally ignorant of this fact, and gets offended when you point it out.

We get offended when someone points out there are egocentric people in the world?

frosty
This ban belongs to frosty now

I want Frosty to take my anal virginity!!1

Ballkicks: (+68 / -9)
Posts: 405 (0.071)
Reg. Date: Aug 2005
Location: Robin Hood Country
Gender: Male

From an outside perspective, America does rate itself extremely highly.

To be fair, you could make a good case for this being based on good solid evidence of it being rather a good place to live, but nevertheless, it does love itself more than other countries I know.

Vissario is probably right to state that most countries have some stupid self-aggradising myths about how great they are in comparison to others, but I do think Americans are particularly good at this. Perhaps rather than "egocentric" the term I'd use in the case of certain Americans is "overpatriotic" - I've met a few who take their country far too seriously, and can't handle a bit of reasoned criticism (equally, I've obviously met plenty of sane and pleasant Americans). I also think the way that the idea of being "unpatriotic" is used by certain American politicians as an insult for anyone who's not beligerantly aggressive when it comes to foreign policy is utterly retarded.

Obviously, most countries have their fair share of irrational patriots (more's the pity), but I do think Americans seem to breed this particularly fiercely. If I were to walk out into the street and declare "Britain is a fucking shithole, I'm getting out of here," half of the people I encountered would simply agree. If I were to go out and burn our flag, it'd piss some people off, but others would just look a bit bemused, and some would just laugh. No-one would take it all that seriuosly, and I certainly wouldn't get lynched (although I would probably get arrested if I kept at it).

Therin lies the difference.

Congratulations! You've just been tuned in by the Frosty Service Crew, INTL's no.1 casual firm...

Quick Reply

Page: [ 1 2 3 4 ]	Reply to Thread \| Create New Thread \| Create New Poll \| Subscribe To Thread
[ Thread Views: 12436 \| Total Posts: 89 ]

Server Time: 04-22-21 01:54:40 PM
Load Time: 0.34 seconds.
- PHP: 0.129 seconds.
- SQL: 0.211 seconds.
- Queries: 32

Top of Page

Is the USA an egocentric country?
This poll has expired.
I'm American and I think yes	15 votes, 45.455%
I'm American and I think no	3 votes, 9.091%
I'm not American and I think yes	13 votes, 39.394%
I'm not American and I think no	0 votes, 0%
Other: Specify	2 votes, 6.061%
Totals:	33 votes, 103.058%
Modify Poll